Bally 6000 Devils and Angels Nightmare

[CaptainHappy]

Maybe you guys should have gone with an ANGELS machine, and left the Nightmare for the DEVILS!  

Sorry, I am not helping am I!!!  

  Made me do it!

CH

[a69mopar]

I't sounds like you guys are making some headway at least.  I would like to get into this, but not until things slow down. 

What mains are you using?

Thanks,
Wayne

[jdkmunch]

I't sounds like you guys are making some headway at least.  I would like to get into this, but not until things slow down.  

What mains are you using?

Thanks,
Wayne

2004, 2005, 2006 and  Jims board came with 2008.    Each with the same result.

[jdkmunch]

I even contacted Bally directly to see on the off chance they would help me.  Sadly this is the response I got.

Jonathan,
 
You should be able to contact the company that you purchased the machine from to get these options working. We are not allowed by gaming laws to support private owners with their gaming machines.
 
Steve
 
Steve
Tech Support Specialist
Bally Technologies

[jdkmunch]

Another round of failures.

Today I tried moving the jumper from 2 meg to 4 - that had no effect.

Options:
02 - to progressive type Over The Top -  machine threw a 91 Error
      to SAS - machine played fine but no change in the bonus behavior

26 - set to auto spin at max coins or credits  - no effect

92 set to SAS & AFT bonusing - no effect


There is something strange  - with 2006 mains the display up top lights up when you go into the 11d options. 

[TZtech]

Hi

Ok dont have a Bally 6000 and its been years since i worked on. Try the following.

Could the top display be faulty ? - Have you tried this test in diagnostics ?

#16 - Topbox Test
Test #16 verifies the proper operation of a topbox
feature. The specific operation depends upon the
feature installed.


This board connect to the front display board - What does it do during that diagnostic
#9 - Display Test
Test #9 tests the Message Center. Observe to make
sure all LED segments in each of the 10 display
positions are properly functioning.
Press and release the TEST button until 09 d appears
in WIN PAID, indicating the Display test is selected. A
pattern cycles in the Message Center that illuminates
each segment and decimal point

ADMIN NOTE: REMOVED EXTRA COLOR COMMANDS TO MAKE MORE READABLE. Probably was a scroll mouse thing. CH   ADMIN

[Bettor Slots]

Here is the update on our project setting up that machine.  We have it now working 99% perfect with the 2003 mains with one incredible downer that we just can't seem to figure out.

The way this game works, when you hit the bonus symbols, you immediately get 30 credits added to the credit meter.  You then are able to play 10 spins at max bet (3CM) using the 30 credits just paid to the meter and any hits during that time frame are paid at 3XPay....so pretty cool right?  The LED display in the top box is simply a count down of what 3X Pay spin you are on starting at 10 and it counts down from there.  We do have this working perfectly now.

Okay....so now here is where it gets weird.  When you make a hit during the bonus and win credits it does not go to the credit meter as you would expect.....even though when the bonus first initialized, the credits do get added to the meter.  Instead, if your machine is set up with a ticket printer, it immediately prints out the win on the ticket.  So if you hit something every spin during those 10 spins at 3 X Pay....your gonna have 10 tickets at the end of the bonus.  If your machine is set up with a hopper....again, each win during the bonus round immediately gets paid at the end of each winning spin by way of the hopper.  So why do the wins during the bonus not get added to the credit meter??????

   what the heck is going on??  No way did it play that way in the casino ?????

Maybe JD will post a video of this in action.  It's a shame so far we can't figure it out 100%....especially when we are so close....because it is really a unique game from the Bally 6000 series.

[jdkmunch]

#16 - Topbox Test
Test #16 verifies the proper operation of a topbox
feature. The specific operation depends upon the
feature installed.

This board connect to the front display board - What does it do during that diagnostic
#9 - Display Test
Test #9 tests the Message Center. Observe to make
sure all LED segments in each of the 10 display
positions are properly functioning.
Press and release the TEST button until 09 d appears
in WIN PAID, indicating the Display test is selected. A
pattern cycles in the Message Center that illuminates
each segment and decimal point

I have tried so many options with this kit it is hard to keep track of them.  One clarification-  on my machine the top display still does not work.  I've tried it with the same settings as Archjds AND with his known working cable.  I know that the display does in fact does work because when I go into the setup (11 o)  I can get it to display 00.

TZ - this is a good idea that I'll try when I get home.    I've slowed down working on this machine because September is very very busy for me.

[stayouttadabunker]

On a somewhat similar and parallel note...
My S+ Bonus Sizzling 7's also does something weird during the bonus round...
When the flashing light stops on let's say the 450 Bonus,
You'd think the bonus credits would go onto the Credits display...NO!!!
The machine goes into handpay mode instead....( I have to turn the reset key to "erase" it)
If it had a printer, then I think it would probably print out a ticket...ARGHH!! That's not what I want it to do!
So, you see...I understand what you're going through....
Basically you want the credits won during the Bonus round to accumulate into the credits...
Same problem...just a different machine...

[jdkmunch]

That is strange  - I bet if you find the solution the logic would be the same for both machines.

[stayouttadabunker]

For an S+,
I'm sure it's in the SET chip settings...
An S2000, it'll be in the Key chip settings...
so a Bally 6000?   la dee da....

I also remember somewhere that you need two reset keys to make the bonus credits go into the display....hmm...
I don't want 2 reset keys...

[Bettor Slots]

Mark,

I went through the exact same scenario on my Devils machine.  Prior to having the 2003 mains installed, after a fresh machine clear, the first pay during the bonus round would go to the printer.  All pays after that, regardless of the amount, goes right to a jackpot handpay scenario and requires a key for the game to continue the bonus round.

This is crazy....there has to be a simple setting, jumper, or dip we are missing here.

On a somewhat similar and parallel note...
My S+ Bonus Sizzling 7's also does something weird during the bonus round...
When the flashing light stops on let's say the 450 Bonus,
You'd think the bonus credits would go onto the Credits display...NO!!!
The machine goes into handpay mode instead....( I have to turn the reset key to "erase" it)
If it had a printer, then I think it would probably print out a ticket...ARGHH!! That's not what I want it to do!
So, you see...I understand what you're going through....
Basically you want the credits won during the Bonus round to accumulate into the credits...
Same problem...just a different machine...

[stayouttadabunker]

I agree...it's something simple we're overlooking....
I'm going to see if I can change my machine
to make the bonus credits accumulate into the display...
There's not a whole lot of jumpers on an S+,
but there are different settings in the SET chip I can look into.
Whether this helps you guys on the 6000 ,I don't know,
but I hope to see if there's something similar in my fix that might help ya.

[stayouttadabunker]

Okay,
I did some digging around and this is what I came up with which might help ya....
My S+ Bonus Sizzling 7's uses an SP944 and in the PSR sheet there's a section called "Reduced Hopper Fills".
In this section, it states and I quote from it:

["The game always attempts to direct a win to the credit meter,
unless adding the win to the meter exceeds the credit limit.
If the win cannot be applied to the credit meter,
the game attempts to pay the win from the hopper.
Wins and cash outs greater than the hopper limit create a hand-pay condition,
as does any win that exceeds the jackpot limit"]

So! The answer might be that you guys may need to raise the jackpot and hopper limits to avoid the "hand-pay condition"????!!!

[jdkmunch]

I tried Stayout - no luck..

This kit is officially dead to me.  I've wasted so much time trying to get it to work.  I thank all of you for your time. 

I hope to get a 4 reel Bonus Frenzy soon.    then take a hammer to the "Devil" machine.

[a69mopar]

get the hammer away from him...

W

[stayouttadabunker]

Poor Munch,
He's had nothing but headaches with that machine...

[StatFreak]

Poor Munch,
He's had nothing but headaches with that machine...

Yeah Munch, it's been all Devils and no Angels.  I don't blame you for walking away from this one. It's too bad, though.
Still, you might want to hold off on using that hammer and see if someone else here wants to buy it and continue on with the pain and suffering.    
You never know..

[jdkmunch]

lol I have the hammer in my hand.

Actually Thanks to Jim at Bettorslots.com  -  I was able to convert the flat to into a round top.   I love the way the machine looks now and the bonus frenzy has become one of my favorites.

Devils are dead -  look for them on eBay when I get back from Vegas.