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« Reply #125 on: October 22, 2009, 10:41:50 PM »
There was another thread going on where certain speakers were humming
depending on what version simm cards were installed to what particular board.
The solution there was to match up the right boards with certain simms.
Also, adding resistors in place to the speaker outputs.
Noted, there were IGT board versions that were upgraded with certain resistors in certain positions.
I know this all sounds vague but the point I'm trying to make is that I believe
certain board versions and revisions were updated to eliminate sound output errors (among other errors for instance).

In the same vein of thinking, allow me to boldly theorize that when IGT and Bally went with four reels,
they didn't fully correctly address the extra loads and signals the fourth reel is putting on board components...
Were these "minor" problems ever addressed by Bally and IGT...I don't think we'll ever know...
Now, having said all this and with absolutely no proof to back it up,
anyone could say that I'm just blowing a bunch of hogwash... arrow
If anyone thinks I'm completely way off base here on my theory,
then I'd really like to hear some others... propeller bust gut laughing
Maybe someone who used to work at these companies could come up with
some better explanation for the way these steppers tend to act?
Remember, we're all in this for the education of learning how our machines work so
we can better address the problems and
find useful ways of restoring these machines to the way they once were..
or better! yes
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« Reply #126 on: October 22, 2009, 11:06:31 PM »
Quote from: jdkmunch on October 22, 2009, 10:23:34 PM
Here it is with the correct sound card installed and door closed:   

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwiIID2HMzg


When you say sound card what is it exactly you changed in this video way better sound BTW
from the last one you posted was it just a chip or whole board
I'm not aware of a sound card for the 6000
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« Reply #127 on: October 22, 2009, 11:11:59 PM »
Nevermind I see the post on the sound board now
much better sound Munch, might have to upgrade mine now.
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« Reply #128 on: October 22, 2009, 11:12:44 PM »
It's the board that is on the right side of the cabinet.   It's the board that a69mopar posted above.  
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« Reply #129 on: October 22, 2009, 11:13:52 PM »
Quote from: stormrider on October 22, 2009, 11:11:59 PM
Nevermind I see the post on the sound board now
much better sound Munch, might have to upgrade mine now.

Yaa- the respin sound was really cool.  I'll snap a video if I can catch it. 
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« Reply #130 on: October 23, 2009, 12:51:21 AM »
Took a trip that why no post lately.  I don't understand what you mean by having  the correct sound card installed.  Also I agree with dabunker about the extra load on the power supply the 4TH reel adds. What I know now is some S6000 make the noise some don't.  If funny that mine is the 4TH reel and
 jdkmunch was the 3RD reel.   Now let me muddy the waters some more.  While the 4TH reel noise is a constant  some times very rare but some times
the noise will move from the 4TH reel to the 3RD reel, or split between the 3RD & 4TH reel with out any changes whatsoever.  Like I said this is rare but
worth mentioning.  Dabunker did you understand what I was saying about the bearings?  Once again thanks to all the posts. I'm learning alot.
Mike
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« Reply #131 on: October 23, 2009, 12:56:33 AM »
The sound card issues were with IGT not bally machines.

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« Reply #132 on: October 23, 2009, 01:33:48 AM »
yes dadd2yea,
Some are not to exact specs size-wise.
I am expecting 2 bearings from Texas in a few days...

Quote from: a69mopar on October 23, 2009, 12:56:33 AM
The sound card issues were with IGT not bally machines.
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breaks over, back to work...

I understand that and totally agree with you...
I was trying to point out the IGT sound problems as an analogy
to what may be actually...board versions/revisions trying to keep up with the game designer's 4th reels and
wondering if the older boards are completely up to snuff to handle the extra loads.
As I have no clue what component is needed in making a board work correctly,
I have no idea whether or not the board revisions were upgraded with sufficient components
to overcome game upgrades (such as the fourth reels added to the mix?)

For example:
JDK's reels were quiet when he only had 3 hooked up.
But, when he added the bonus game 4th reel, his steppers got louder.
All he changed were the reel chips...and added the bonus reel.
however, 3 of his reels were from the other kit.
Could the added stepper noise be because of the original board he still has in it?
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« Reply #133 on: October 23, 2009, 02:00:11 AM »
I should hook up a strobe one of these days to see if they spin at the same speed, but I don't have a strobe anymore.  I believe the 4 reelers are faster, which would explain the extra noise.  Bally made 4 reel kits from the beginning (and before) of the S6000, so i'm sure the boards and components were designed to accomodate them.  Power supplies prior to 2000 did have durability issues, but I'm not sure what year daddy's machine is ?(a question and statement)?
I think it's great that many ideas have have been put out there, and bunker leaves no stone unturned. 

I think I'll throw a little K+ around.

Thanks,
Wayne
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« Reply #134 on: October 23, 2009, 02:05:50 AM »
Not size-wize, but the amount of Radial play.   Radial play is the radial internal looseness between the balls and races, and is the measured value of the total movement of one ring with respect to the other in a plane perpendicular to the bearing axis. Factors that require control of radial play are speeds, loads, thermal conditions, mounting fits, axial motion and deflection rates. Improper selection of radial play can affect bearing torque and overall running performance which could result in premature failure. Or in laymans terms slop.   IF you see C2 stamped  on the bearing  that's good. If you see C3 not bad cause there's to much play for stepper motor application. I learned alot talking to tech at Grainger Industrial Supply.  I know this is alot of writing, but since we posted about replacing the bearings I would hate for anybody to put in new bearings that weren't as good as the ones there taking out.  Mike
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« Reply #135 on: October 23, 2009, 02:16:50 AM »
Wayne My S6000 is an 02. I also look on the power suppy and it was dated 2002.
Also I do I add a quote to my post.
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« Reply #136 on: October 23, 2009, 09:41:28 AM »
Wayne is brilliant -  Although I don't have a strobe I do have a lovely assistant.  This definitely would account for the louder sound.

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/ZuFq-pjz-LA&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/ZuFq-pjz-LA&rel=0</a>
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« Reply #137 on: October 23, 2009, 10:06:49 AM »
The question is - can we slow down the reels ?   Daddy2yea and I would be very happy

I'll check the manual and see if there is a setting similar to the WMS fast/slow reel speed.
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« Reply #138 on: October 23, 2009, 12:00:29 PM »
Ohh, I hate being the one to point this out... bawling
( I gotta learn to shut up... bust gut laughing)

The "fast/normal cycle" I think, and I could be wrong on this,
 doesn't really have anything to do with the reels physical "speed".
( I would need a scope/strobe of some type to really determine that....or a pretty assistant...LOL )

That IGT dipswitch's function is for "when" the reels stop on the predetermined symbol/stop.
For example:
When the dips are set for "fast", the reels will stop as soon as the correct symbol arrives.
When the dips are set for "normal", the reels will skip the predetermined symbol once and
then stop on it "when" it comes back around to it.

That, I believe, is the difference between the "Fast/normal cycle" speed" dipswitch's settings....
Whew! Try to physically say that sentence in one breath!.... rotflmao
My tongue is still tied up.... Tongue Out

ADD>> I just thought of something...It might be true that the 3rd and 4th reels have
a lot more "mileage" on their respective stepper motors than the first 2 reels because of the this phenomenon....?
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« Reply #139 on: October 23, 2009, 05:42:02 PM »
Had reel tilt issue I had posted here but move it to a new topic.
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« Reply #140 on: October 23, 2009, 05:45:08 PM »
copy and past that and start a new thread- --- this is already way long for people to follow -
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« Reply #141 on: October 23, 2009, 06:57:04 PM »
You know what?
Something's wrong with your machine...
Are you turning OFF the power before pulling any plugs out and in?
Now, I'm suspecting MPU component problems...big time.
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« Reply #142 on: October 23, 2009, 07:31:39 PM »
Yes I am turning off the machine before I do anything.  Mike
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« Reply #143 on: October 23, 2009, 08:54:59 PM »
Quote from: stayouttadabunker on October 23, 2009, 06:57:04 PM
You know what?
Something's wrong with your machine...

You crack me up bunker. Tongue Out  
I did speak to mike and will check the new thread later.

Break time's over, now I'm going to get some work done.

Thanks,
Wayne
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« Reply #144 on: October 29, 2009, 10:58:22 PM »
Daddy - I noticed something that I wanted to post last week.  After I left my machine on for a few hours the reels went silent.  I turned the machine off for the night and the next day - very noisy but then again after the machine was on for a while they got much much quieter. 
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« Reply #145 on: October 30, 2009, 10:46:32 PM »
JD I'll let you know if the reels get quieter after the machine has been on for a few hours.
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« Reply #146 on: October 30, 2009, 11:20:58 PM »
Yaa see what happens -  I have a very noticeable difference after a few hours left on. 

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« Reply #147 on: November 04, 2009, 10:56:04 PM »
Ok I don't really notice a differnence when the machine has been on for a few hours except that that the noise goes from being all 4th reel to being spread
out  between the 3rd and 4th reel. Mike
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« Reply #148 on: November 05, 2009, 12:06:47 AM »
 Duh! Duh! I just remembered...I never placed an order for any bearings...ARGHH! frying pan Duh!
 Where'd you order yours from again?
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« Reply #149 on: November 05, 2009, 12:07:42 AM »
It's good that you got it going again, I guess the clear chips were bad?

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