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« on: September 16, 2008, 02:56:08 AM »
Started By - Cactusjack

This is a work in progress.  Feel free to post corrections, and we will continually update original post.

Often, SET05/15/17 or 20  can be used for most Denomination and DBV enable. SET Chips listed are per the PSR and might be required to set up special features (progressives, etc.)

Here is a list with a general description of the game "types":
http://www.newlifegames.net/spset/gametypes.htm

SP051 Four-reel "Jackpot Devil" game (SS3364 - SS3368) - "SP051 extends the spin time on the fourth reel."
SP116 (256K) Saraha Freeplay
SP450 Type 19 (4th Coin Buy-A-Pay) 10MHz, $0.05/0.10, SET005 - SAS communication, no mention of credit transfer
SP540 Type 2 (Haywire)
SP541 Type 0,1,4,5
SP557 Type 0,14 (Cruise Ship Eprom?) 10MHz, $0.05/0.10, SET005 - SAS communication, no mention of credit transfer
SP564 Type 23 ID023
SP574 Type 0,1,4,5,12 10MHz, $0.05/0.10, SET005 - SAS communication, no mention of credit transfer
SP589 Type ? 10MHz - Quartermania Wide Area Progressive (works with SS3739)
SP600 Type 17 (Bonus Multiplier Feature) 10MHz, $0.05/0.10, SET005 ("or later versions", per the PSR) - SAS communication, no mention of credit transfer
SP605 Type 2 (Haywire) ID022
SP611 Type 0,1,4,5,12 10MHZ, ID022
SP625 Type 0,1,4,5,12
SP626 Type 0,1,?
SP646 Type 2 (Haywire)
SP650 Type 3 Volcano
SP653 Type 2 (Haywire)
SP654 Type 23
SP676 ?
SP686 Type 2
SP688 Type 3 Volcano
SP690 ?
SP694 High Roller ?
SP708 Type 0,1,4,5,12 ID022, SET005/15/17/26, $0.05/0.10, SAS EFT with SET017 or SET026
SP709 type 0,1,4,5,12
SP731 type 0,1,4,5,12 ID 2.5
SP733 Type 0,1,4,5,12 - SET005/15/17
SP737 Type 2 (Haywire)
SP738 Montana Credit
SP766 Type 0,1,4,5
SP773 Type ? 
SP779 Type 2,21 (Haywire & Haywire DLX)
SP790 Type 21 (Haywire DLX)
SP798 Type 19
SP804 Type 0,1,4,5
SP805 Type 2 (Haywire) ID 2.5
SP809 Type 0,1,4,5
SP810 Type 20 (Double Chance) ID 2.5 (ID023)
SP811 Type 0,14 (unverified - PSR needed)
SP813 Type 2 SET019
SP830 Type 0, 14 (14 is Tournament)
SP831 Type 0,1,4,5
SP849 Type 19?
SP857 Type 0,4 ID 2.5
SP862 Type 0,14 (and others?) SET026 (PSR NEEDED)
SP872 Type 0,1,4,5 ID023, SET026, $0.01/0.05
SP873 Type 2,21 (Haywire, Haywire DLX) ID 2.5, SET005/15/17/26.  SET026 allows $0.01/0.05 - all others allow $0.05/0.10+.  SAS EFT with SET017 or SET026.
SP874 Type 3,6 (Volcano, Tidal Wave) ID 2.5, SET026, $0.01/0.05
SP875 Type 0,1,4,5
SP878 Type 0,1,4,5 ID 2.5
SP879 Type 19?
SP922 Type 0,1,4,5,14 (14 is Tournament) ID 2.5, $0.01/$0.05
SP932 Type 0,1,4,5 ID 2.5 (original version of this post said "wba"), $0.01/$0.05, SET046
SP935 Type 0,4 ID 2.5 $0.01/0.05
SP934 Type 2,21 (Haywire & Haywire DLX), SET019
SP939 ?
SP941 Type 19?
SP943 Type 37 (Run for your Money)
SP944 Type 25 ID023, SET058 or SET076 (Bonus Sizzling 7's where the 300 coin red 7s pay a bonus. Requires a light bar for the bonus feature in the top box.)
SP945 Type 2
SP946 Type 19 10MHz ID023, SET058/76 $0.01/0.05
SP949 Type 25  (Bonus Sizzling 7's where the 300 coin red 7s pay a bonus. Requires a light bar for the bonus feature in the top box.)
SP980 Type 32 (Pinball (3-Coin)) 16MHz?, ID2.5, SET053/57 0.05 - SAS EFT with SET053
SP993 Type 0,1,4,5 10MHz?, ID2.5, SET030 0.01/0.05 - SAS EFT and Bonusing
SP1002 Type 38 (Little Devils) 16MHz, ID023, SET062 0.05 - SAS Bonusing
SP1003 Type 0,1,4,5,12,0/14 10MHz, ID 2.4, SET019 0.01/0.02 - SAS Enhanced Cashless Transaction (ECT)
SP1004 Type 0,1,4,5 10Mhz, ID 2.5, 0.05 - Supports 9 Paylines - SAS Electronic Funds Transfer (EFT) if SET020 is used
SP1005 Type 41 (Cash Quest, Party Time), 16MHz?, ID023, SET054/59 0.25 only - SAS EFT with SET054
SP1006 Type 37 (Run for your Money), 16MHz?, ID023, SET054/59 0.25 only - SAS EFT with SET054
SP1007 Type 32 (Pinball DLX, Party Time), 16MHz, ID023, SET054/59 0.25 only - SAS EFT with SET054
SP1008 Type 0,1,4,5,12,0/14 10MHz, ID023, SET016 0.01/0.02 Tokenized - SAS communication, no mention of credit transfer
SP1009 Type 0,1,4,5,12,0/14 10MHz, ID 2.4, SET011 0.01/0.02 Tokenized - SAS communication, no mention of credit transfer
SP1010 Type 30 (IGCA Interface Bonus) 10MHz, ID023, 0.05 - SAS EFT if SET020 is used
SP1011 Type 2 (Haywire) 10MHz, ID 2.4, SET011, 0.01/0.02 Tokenized - SAS communication, no mention of credit transfer
SP1012 Type 3,6 (Volcano,Tidal Wave) 10MHz, ID 2.4, SET011, 0.01/0.02 Tokenized - SAS communication, no mention of credit transfer
SP1013 Type 0,1,4,5,12,0/14 10MHz, ID023, SET019, 0.01/0.02 Tokenized - SAS ECT
SP1014 Type 0,1,4,5,12,14 10MHz, ID023, SET011, 0.01/0.02 Tokenized - Supports 9 paylines - SAS communication, no mention of credit transfer
SP1015 Type 27,29 (Wheel of Gold, Wheel of Fortune) 10MHz, ID023, SET054/60 - SAS EFT with SET054
SP1016 Type 30 (IGCA Interface Bonus) 10MHz, ID023, SET58, 0.01/0.05 - SAS EFT
SP1017 Type 27,29 (Wheel of Gold, Wheel of Fortune) 10MHz, ID023, SET041, 0.05 - SAS communication, no mention of credit transfer
SP1018 Type 0,4 10MHz, ID 2.5, SET064, 0.01/0.05 "Mini Bertha" - SAS Bonusing
SP1019 Type 0,1,4,5 16MHz, ID023, SET070/77/78, 0.01/0.05 - SAS EFT and Bonusing if SET077 is used
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« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2008, 02:56:46 AM »
SP1020 (Originally listed with the information for SP1022 (below) -- believed to have been in error)
SP1022 Type 27 (Wheel of Gold) 10MHz, ID023, SET019, 0.01/0.02 Tokenized - SAS ECT
SP1023 Type 31 (Jeopardy) 16MHz, ID023, SET041 0.05 - SAS communication, no mention of credit transfer
SP1024 Type 33 (Top Dollar) 16MHz, ID023, SET053/57, 0.05, Req Add on Mem PCB - SAS EFT if SET053 is used
SP1025 Type 37 (Run for your Money) 16MHz, ID023, SET053/57, 0.05, Req Add on Mem PCB - SAS EFT if SET053 is used
SP1036 Type 37 (Run for your Money) 16MHz, ID023, SET069/73, 0.05, Req Add on Mem PCB - SAS Bonusing and EFT if SET069 is used
SP1048 Type 0,1,4,5 10Mhz, ID023, SET058/76,  $0.01/0.05 - SAS EFT if SET058 is used
SP1049 Type 0,1,4,5,12,0/14 (Tournament), ID023, SET019, $0.01/0.02 - SAS ECT
SP1057 Type 19 (4th coin BAP) 10MHz, ID023, SET011, $0.01/0.02, Tokenized, Semi Euro Credit option, bill acceptor country code selection - SAS communication, no mention of credit transfer
SP1059 Type 2,21 (Haywire & Haywire Deluxe), ID023, SET019, $0.01/0.02, Tokenized, Semi Euro Credit option, bill acceptor country code selection - SAS ECT
SP1061 Type 19 (4th coin BAP) 10MHz, ID023, SET011, $0.01/0.02, Tokenized, Semi Euro Credit option, bill acceptor country code selection - SAS communication, no mention of credit transfer (appears to be a clone of SP1057 - I don't see a difference)
SP1077 Type 20 (PSR NEEDED)
SP1085 Type 2 (Haywire), ID-023, SET058/76, $0.01/0.05 -  SAS EFT if SET058 is used
SP1092 Type 37 (Run for your Money) (PSR NEEDED)
SP1106 Type 32 (Barcrest Pinball - 3 Coin Only) 16MHz, SET053/57, $0.05/0.10/0.25+ - SAS EFT if SET053 is used
SP1115 Type 38 (Little Devils) 16MHz, ID023, SET091/101/102, $0.01/0.05/0.10/0.25+ - SAS Bonusing and EFT (does not specify which SET chip can activate)
SP1131 ?
SP1135 Type 38 (Little Devils) 16MHz, ID023, SET062, $0.05/0.10/0.25+ - SAS Bonusing
SP1136 Type 37 (Needs Set 91 to enable progressive) (PSR NEEDED)
SP1137 Type 0,1,4,5,12,0/14 (Tournament), ID023, SET086, $0.01/0.02, (Supports Montana-style "Semi Euro credit" (setting 5) or Tokenization (setting 7).), 9 paylines - SAS ECT
SP1145 Type 0,1,4,5 16MHz, ID023, SET089/90/91, $0.01/0.05 (This listing originally listed SET088, but that's not mentioned in the PSR) - SAS Bonusing
SP1146 Type 2,21 (Haywire, Haywire DLX) 16MHz, ID023, SET088/89/90/91, $0.01/0.05 - SAS Bonusing
SP1147 Type 0,1,4,5 16MHz (PSR NEEDED)
SP1148 Type 14 Tournament (PSR NEEDED)
SP1157 Type 51 (Spell Binder) 16MHz, ID023, SET088/91/101/102, $0.01/0.05/0.10/0.25+ - SAS communication, no mention of credit transfer
SP1160 Type 0,1,4,5 10MHz, ID023, SET088/89/90/91, $0.01,0.05, 9 Paylines - SAS communication, no mention of credit transfer
SP1166 Type 37 (Run For Your Money) 16MHz, ID023, SET088/91/101/102, $0.01/0.05/0.10/0.25+ - SAS communication, no mention of credit transfer
SP1174 Type 0,1,4,5,12,14 10Mhz, ID023, SET087, $0.01/0.02, Supports 9 Paylines, Tokenized - SAS EFT
SP1175 Type 0,1,4,5 10MHz, ID023, SET088/89/90/91, $0.01/0.05 - SAS communication, no mention of credit transfer
SP1176 Type 0,1,4,5 (designed for use with leased linked games - see PSR for list), 16MHz, ID023, SET107 - SAS Bonusing
SP1181 Type 44 (Hot Rod) 16MHz, ID023, SET088/91/101/102, $0.01/0.05/0.10/0.25+ - SAS communication, no mention of credit transfer
SP1184 Type 44 (Hot Rod) 16MHz (PSR NEEDED)
SP1191 Type 37 (Needs Set 91 to enable progressive) (PSR NEEDED)
SP1192 Type 37 (Needs Set 91 to enable progressive) (PSR NEEDED)
SP1206 Type 0,1,4,5,19 10MHz, ID023, SET088/91/101/102, $0.01/0.05, 9 Paylines - SAS communication, no mention of credit transfer
SP1207 Type 2,21 10MHz (PSR NEEDED)
SP1213 Type 0,1,4,5,12,14 (Tournament) 10mhz, ID023, SET111, $0.01/$0.02, 9 Paylines, Tokenized - SAS Bonusing and EFT
SP1224 Type 0,19 "(Mini Bertha)", 10MHz, ID023, SET088/91/101/102/116, $0.01/0.05 - does NOT support SAS Bonusing
SP1227 Type 0,1,4,5,19 10MHz, ID023, SET088,91,101,102,116, $0.01/0.05, 9 Paylines - does NOT support SAS Bonusing
SP1228 Type 20 (Double Chance) 10MHz, ID023, SET088/91/101/102/116, $0.01/0.05 - does NOT support SAS Bonusing
SP1229 Type 2,21 (Haywire/Haywire Deluxe) 10MHz (originally listed as 16MHz -- PSR says 10MHz), ID023, SET088/91/101/102/116, $0.01/0.05 - does NOT support SAS Bonusing
SP1240 Type 0,1,4,5 (designed for use with leased linked games - see PSR for list), 16MHz, ID023, SET107 - SAS Bonusing
SP1242 Type 0,1,4,5,19 10MHz, ID023, SET088/91/101/102/116/121, 9 Paylines, $0.01/0.05 - SAS EFT - does NOT support SAS Bonusing
SP1249 Type 20 (Double Chance) 10MHz, ID023, SET088/89/90/91/101/102/116/121, $0.01/0.05 - SAS EFT - does NOT support SAS Bonusing
SP1252 Type 2/21 (Haywire/Haywire Deluxe) 16MHz, ID023, SET088/89/90/91/101/102/116/121, $0.01/0.05 - SAS Bonusing and EFT
SP1253 Type 0/1/4/5/14 (Tournament) ID023, SET088/89/90/91/101/102/116/121, $0.01/0.05 - SAS EFT
SP1271 Type 0,1,4,5,19 10MHz, ID023, SET088/89/90/91/101/102/116/121 $0.01/0.05, 9 Paylines - SAS EFT - does NOT support SAS Bonusing
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« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2008, 02:57:35 AM »
SP1272 Type 0,1,4,5 16MHz (originally listed as 10MHz -- it's 16 MHz per the PSR and Rick Hunter), ID023, SET088/90/91/101/102/121, $0.01/0.05, SAS Bonusing and EFT
SP1274 Type 2,21 (Haywire/Haywire Deluxe) 10MHz, ID023, $0.01/0.05, SAS EFT - does NOT support SAS Bonusing
SP1289 Type 25 ID023, SET058 or SET076 (Bonus Sizzling 7's where the 300 coin red 7s pay a bonus. Requires a light bar for the bonus feature in the top box.) (PSR NEEDED)
SP1306 Type 23 (Random Nudge) 10MHz, ID023, SET088/089/090/091/101/102/116/121, $0.01/0.05 - SAS EFT - does NOT support SAS Bonusing
SP1309 Type 0,1,4,5,14 (Tournament) 16MHz, ID023, SET088/89/90/91/101/102/121, $0.01/0.05 - SAS EFT
SP1311 Type 0,1,4,5,14 (Tournament) 10MHz ("much faster than SP1253") ID023, $0.01/0.05, SET088/89/90/91/101/102/116 - SAS EFT
SP1312 Type 3,6 (Volcano,Tidal Wave) SET058/076  $0.01/$0.05 (PSR NEEDED)


STXXXX Chips Replace the Reel chip and are used for Tournament Type 14

ST0001 3CM Double Diamond/Gold Mountain 95.08%, SS3634
ST0002 3CM Double Diamond/gold Mountain/Victory 95.084% SS3634
ST0003 2CM RWB 94.675%, SS3285
ST0004 2CM RWB 92.474%, SS3286
ST0005 5CM Cartoon Wild Cherry 87.173%, SS4218
ST0008 2CM RWB 90.109%, SS3287
ST0009 5CM Wild Cherry/Cartoon Wild Cherry 90.55%, SS3499
ST0010 2CM DBL JKPTS,5bar,cherry/DBL$$,5bar,cherry 90.149%, SS3043
ST0011 2CM RWB/Gold Silver and Bronze/Win, Place and Show 90.109% SS3287
ST0012 2CM Double Diamond 90.032%, SS3443
ST0014 3CM Double Diamond 90.010%, SS3632
ST0015 3CBP Sizzling 7's  95.45%  SS3640?
ST0018         Super Sizzling sevens 87.62%                                                                                                            
ST0019 3CM Double Diamond/gold Mountain/Victory 95.081% SS3634
ST0020 3CM Dbl RWB/Dbl Black Jack/Dbl Black Tie/Hot Peppers 87.547 SS4713
ST0021 3CM RWB 83.21%, SS4555
ST0023 3CM Double Double Diamond 95.102%, SS6205
ST0025 3CM Triple Diamond 95.059%, SS4785
ST0026 3CM Triple Diamond 90.017%, SS4787
ST0027 3CM Triple Jackpots 95.046%, SS6266
ST0028 3CM Triple Jackpots 90.081%, SS6268
ST0031 3CM Five Times Pay 95.10% SS6272
ST0032 3CM Five Times Pay 90.045% SS6274
ST0034 2CM Jokers Wild 94.707% SS3823
ST0035 5L  Gold Mountain/Double Diamond 87.42%
ST0036 3CM Five Times Pay 92.513%, SS6273
ST0040 2CM WS RWB 90.040%, SS3656
ST0041 2CM RWB 94.675% SS3285
ST0042 3CM RWB 94.887%, SS3280
ST0053  2C   CUSTOME GAME “ CEASARS PALACE Top award     1,600.00
ST0058 3CBP Sizzling 7's  91.97%
ST0059  3R3CM FIVE TIMES PAY   Top Award    15,000.00        
ST0060 3CM 5X Pay 2550.240% Tourney, 90.045% Normal, SS6274

Thanks to all those that have provided extra info!

By idesign

SP 1160 has been tested in a 16mhz machine and it doesn't work.  10mhz only.

Anyone know of a Type 19 that runs at 16mhz?
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« Reply #3 on: September 16, 2008, 02:59:01 AM »
By fanninislots -

An SP1271 will work for a 16 meg board
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« Reply #4 on: September 16, 2008, 03:00:06 AM »
By Cactusjack -

Ben, Are you sure?   The PSR specifically states "this must be installed on a 10 MHz board."

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« Reply #5 on: September 16, 2008, 03:00:40 AM »
by idesign


I tried it and it has the usual timing issues with reels locking up on a 16mhz baord.
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« Reply #6 on: September 16, 2008, 03:02:21 AM »
By brian


SP686 is a type 2


Quote from: Cactusjack on November 23, 2005, 04:35:04 PM
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« Reply #7 on: September 16, 2008, 03:03:09 AM »
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From another message board:

SP1253 Type 0/1/4/5/14
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« Reply #8 on: September 16, 2008, 03:03:36 AM »
By mrcreel


What is a ST0018?
I've looked everywhere but am unable to find any information.  I'm told it is a Sizzlin 7 Type 0/14 but it doesn't want to work in a S2000.
The game takes a clear and keychip, but shows "Payback Percentage Too High" after leaving KeyChip menu.
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« Reply #9 on: September 16, 2008, 03:04:01 AM »
By hotslot101


This is an all in one  tournament chip running at approx 900+ % in tourny mode, not sure on the game type. I have ST0058 listed as 3CBP Sizzling 7's.


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« Reply #10 on: September 16, 2008, 03:04:20 AM »
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I believe it's tournament chip for the S+ so it won't work in a S2000 machine.
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« Reply #11 on: September 16, 2008, 03:04:48 AM »
By StatFreak


ST0060 Stats:
Now that I've had my ST0060 for a while, I've run all of the numbers.
Since it's not in the Bible, thought I'd post it here for anyone who might be interested.

(non-tournament mode was easy - step through virtual stops on test page 5. For tournament mode, I had to write down the virtual stop #'s of every spin using the JP key (every 10 spins) until I had filled-in every one of the 90 positions on each reel )


Prog#'s    Max%       Hit Freq    SS Equivalent    Paytable    Game Multiplier
ST0060     2550.24%    37.126        SS6274*             242B             3CM

*This is based on my own calculations, which exactly match that SS-ID:

In non-tournament mode:

Prog#'s       Max%         Hit Freq        Stops          Top Award     2nd Award                Win Freq
               (1st. Coin)                                             (Hits/Cycle)   (Hits/Cycle)                             
SS6274*    90.045%        15.432           90AAA         2K/5k/15k(1)   1500/3000/4500(11)       6.480


btw: Even with the 2550% payout and 240 "5x, 5x, 5x" hits, it's still a 1 in 3037.5 shot at hitting the top prize. With about 60 games played in a 5 minute tournament^ (avg), one will only hit the top prize every 51 rounds. There are 2096  “5x, 5x, 7†hits -- a 1 in 347.8 shot -- not too shabby. 

^ I set my win payouts to a rate of 150. That pays in increments of 15, which works best for this game.
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« Reply #12 on: September 16, 2008, 03:05:19 AM »
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Karma to you for sharing!!!   
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« Reply #13 on: September 16, 2008, 03:07:59 AM »
by StatFreak -


Got the chip from Ben (Fanninislots on eBay)

It's been a lot of fun. Been playing it for a while with friends and STILL haven't hit the top prize in tournament mode   

I'll just have to keep playing 'till it hits. Of course, it won't qualify for a "Best hit at home" shot -- not in tournament mode -- but I'll still be thrilled to see it happen.. 
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« Reply #14 on: September 16, 2008, 03:08:24 AM »
By 72MachI


For the list,  I believe the SP1272 is a 16Mhz chip.   I have one with what looks like factory label on it which specifies 16Mhz on it and it's running fine in a 16Mhz board.
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« Reply #15 on: September 16, 2008, 03:08:53 AM »
By brian -


I think that ST0058 has a payout of 91.97% according memory location 175C - 175D.  Could someone update the first post for this thread?
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« Reply #16 on: September 16, 2008, 03:09:19 AM »
By knagl -


If we're updating the first post, the SP1312 could be added.

Type 3 (Volcano) or Type 6 (Tidal Wave).  Denomination: $0.01, $0.05, $0.10, $0.25, $0.50, $1, $2, $5, $10, $20, $25, $50, $100.  Uses SET058 or SET076.
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« Reply #17 on: September 16, 2008, 03:09:42 AM »
By Cactusjack -


Both have been added - Thanks!

Any idea on what MHz 1312 is (10 or 16?)

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« Reply #18 on: September 16, 2008, 03:10:11 AM »
By StatFreak -


This is a copy of the list that I have been updating for personal use. One thing I did was to indicated new additions or changes with bolded notation. I may have missed one or two changes, but hopfully the bolding will make it easier to integrate my additions to everyone else's copies without wading through the rest.

Maybe it's time to pool our copies and get a new updated master list together?
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« Reply #19 on: September 16, 2008, 03:11:36 AM »
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Thanks SF 

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« Reply #20 on: September 16, 2008, 03:12:07 AM »
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StatFreak, Hope you don't mind, but I copy and pasted your doc over the original post to include all your updates.  But I noticed you missed the 91.97% for ST058 so I added it.

Thanks for all the hard work.  Its nice to have one place to go to for all the info.

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« Reply #21 on: September 16, 2008, 03:12:27 AM »
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I'll add the ST0058 payout % to my copy. If anyone has items not in the list, post them and I'll add them, then update the file online.
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« Reply #22 on: September 16, 2008, 03:13:23 AM »
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Quote from: Cactusjack on March 20, 2008, 01:47:26 PM
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Any idea on what MHz 1312 is (10 or 16?)
It is my belief that the 1312 is 10mhz, but I guess I don't know for sure -- I don't see any indication either way in the PSR.

Also, it's worth mentioning that the 1137 is tokenizable -- I just put it in a machine and it works like a charm.
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« Reply #23 on: September 16, 2008, 03:13:52 AM »
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Is 1137 tokenizable AND montana credits? Let me know and I'll correct my list.


I don't seem to have the PSR for SP1312..
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« Reply #24 on: September 16, 2008, 03:15:30 AM »
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poof!!! goes the e-mail.... 
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