Installed Spectrum display in my S2000

[Foster]

I guess mine only took 1 year to get installed and going, that is still too long for such a project.

Now if I can get it to display the right amount. its showing the top award from the cham II+ of 8100.00, not the second level that is about 4700
I wonder if Mikohn designed it for them.  The font and odometer look to me like the Cham II+, other than comma and color setup.

[tacman]

Well, I finally got this topper going.  Railroad94 found a broken solder joint  in the chaser lights on his last visit that have been giving me fits. I set dip #2 in the first row according to dpalmi's instructions from the previous posts, wired everything up and closed and mounted the topper. Ran the keychip setup and it worked fine, except it does not scroll into different colors    it just stays green. I did notice that some of my displays are marked Spectrum II and Spectrum Huff?  dont know if that makes a difference. I'm just happy the topper is fully operational and will worry about the scrolling colors later!

Dan (tacman)

Will change the Jackpot later as well!

[Foster]

They are Spectrum II because IGT had a vendor make a Spectrum for the S+ and PE that interfaces to the machine at the 15 pin top box connector and grabs power from the 120V in the top box. I have 2 of them and one Spectrum II.

I wonder what Display I got with this item from eBay

[tacman]

Well, I played around a little with the display and obviously the Chinese secret for scrolling is not the same as dpalmi's. The #2 dip on with all other dips off does not do a thing with mine. I did find that with the below settings are the results for my display:

1st dip set off, 2nd dip set off- green progressive
1st dip set #3 on, 2nd dip set off- red progressive
1st dip set #1 & #3 on, 2nd dip set off- amber progressive

I have tried all these settings with and without #2 in the 1st dip set being on. I also did a power down in between settings in case the display had to reset. Outcome-so far no scrolling colors. 

 Dan (tacman)

[jay]

Foster,

You have me intriqued. A spectrum for the S+ that works off the top box progressive connector ??
Does it get programmed the same as the behind the payglass unit ......

I think I need a few of these all of a sudden..... heres why....

I run a linked progressive as my main and a behind the payglass as the second level one....

I have run into an interesting situation where I have Double Diamond Deluxe in my S+ and there is no second level progressive. However as unsupported as this may sound the second level progressive continues to increment.
This got me curious if it was a one-of bug, so I slapped in Munsters into another one of my other slots - this again does not have the second level progressive .... and guess what it increments as well.

Of course having these displays shine through where they are not supposed to looks like C p and this is where I am thinking the spectrum at the top might be the ticket.

One other thing here..... I had given Midas a behind the payglass progressive and he hooked it up to his PE+ - subsequently this blew his door optics. Just for good measure he tried it again with the same results. Are you sure this would be supported
on the PE+ ? The reason I ask is that on the PE+ setup - there is no option for standalone progressive programming.

[Foster]

I was only guessing about the PE being supported.
Unless the PE or PE+ has the same signals in the top box that the S+ has it wont work.

Yes it gets programmed by the machine just like the behind the glass unit.
In fact John42355 on ebay has the non Micro controller based behind the glass progressive LED driver board. eBay 250104960296
I have built 2 of them from the schematics in the Liberty Bell book on the S+. I think they where for the S originally but do work in the S+.
Before the Micro controller based version that we currently have or lemans69 is selling.
The S+ drives the progressive data to that connector the same way it drives the player display.

Player Display
DD0 serial data
DCLK data clocking
STB1 strobe signal
GND
VB

Progressive signals (Mini Photon or S+ spectrum)
DD0 serial data
DCLK data clocking
STB2 strobe signal
GND
VB

note DD0, DCLK, STB1 and STB2 are inverse logic 0v is 1, and VB or Vcc is 0.

I even hooked up a spare player display to the progressive signals in the top box and it works once progressive is enabled and configured.
Just looks funny seeing the progressive split.

The S+ Spectrum  I have available needs a small part on the power supply and either the drivers or the LED have a slight issue on the smaller display
When I get a chance I will test it and try to post pictures.

For the small stand alone progressive to show second level progressive move ribbon cable to the connector above or below it.

[Foster]

Hello all!

Great news!

I'm SO glad you guys made me curious...I've played with the dips on my Spectrum and found the secret to scrolling colors!

Ok - 2 sets of dips - 4 switches each.  On mine - all 8 switches were all off.  Here's what I found...

S1
1 - didn't do anything
2 - causes colors to scroll from red to green to yellow (see video) - off is 1 color - on is scroll - SECRET SETTING!!
3 - changes single color - off is green - on is red
4 - on - does a moving line test to see if all leds are working

S2
1 - on - makes all red leds come on to see if all leds are working
2 - on - makes all orange leds come on to see if all leds are working
3 - on - makes all green leds come on to see if all leds are working
4 - didn't do anything

So I hope that helps - I know it made me happy 

Dan #2

http://www.youtube.com/v/WD-86R_Aq8c

Hey can you psot back with your spectrum board P/N and SDF version?

[dpalmi]

Hey can you psot back with your spectrum board P/N and SDF version?

Hello!

The slot shows "SDF100 12 Apr 2002".  There is a chip on the controller board with a sticker that says "SDF104 R".  As far as a P/N - the display board itself has "PN 75137800 REV A".  I don't see a P/N on the controller board - there is another sticker on another chip that says "SPECTRUM HEFF 32808401 REV A".  Are these the numbers you're looking for?

Dan #2

[Foster]

Ok

Please can you check the sdf version in the Accounting Version menu?

[dpalmi]

Please can you check the sdf version in the Accounting Version menu?

Accounting Version Menu shows "SDF100 12 Apr 2002".

Dan #2

[Railroad94]

I also have no option of changing colors on the spectrum's .      Spectrum piggy back board shows "SPECTRUM HEFF" but running version SDF 104.    Other chip version I can't get to work is SDB 100 (yes,SDB) does anyone have ideas on this?    I was thinking that it came from a similar display I have which the piggy back board is marked (SPECTRUM II) but I believe the board or display on the spectrum II is shot.

Does anyone have any PLCC chips SDF 104

[Foster]

you can use a At29C512 or a 29EE512 both PLCC

[Foster]

Thanks I didnt see your other post about the version reported to the machine.
I wonder if SDF 104 removed the scrolling color option.
I cant get it to do the scrolling colors.
Now if you turn on switch 1 and 3 you get Orange on the SDF104

[tacman]

Actually Railroad94, I wouldn't mind getting a couple of dpalmi's SDF100 chips and see if we could get the scrolling option then.

 Dan (tacman)

[Railroad94]

Looks like it might be the way to go Tacman, I have SDB 100 but so far nothing there. His sticker has 104 but the vfd displayed version is what counts and if it shows SDF 100 when he goes to version accounting PV13.

dpalmi.. what numbers does the other PLCC chip above it have, the one in the U12 ?

[dpalmi]

Hello all!

Ok - after all this discussion - I decided to double check and I made a mistake.  I have two Spectrums, one in a machine and the other is not.  The one in the machine - which scrolls the colors - the Version menu shows "SDF100 12 Apr 2002" and the chip itself has no label.  The 2nd one, which was not in a machine but I temporally put it in to verify has the label "SDF104 R" and the Version Menu also shows "SDF104 R" - this one does NOT scroll.  So it would appear the SDF100 is what is needed.  I'm sorry for the confusion - it was due to my own laziness. 

I tried both displays with the scrolling controller and both worked with no issue...


Dan #2

[dpalmi]

Hello all!

I went a step further and took the "SDF100" chip out of the scrolling display and put it in the display that would not scroll...and what do you know, now that display is able to scroll.  So it seems without a doubt that the "SDF100" is the chip you need to scroll.  I'm kind of surprised a higher version of the chip would be missing that feature.  Sucks for me because now I have one display that scrolls and another that doesn't, unless I buy a PLCC burner...

Dan #2

[idesign]

OK,  I figured it out.  Here are the settings.  S1 all switches off except for 2.  S2 all switches off.  The scrolling is very slow to change so initially I thought it wasn't doing it.  It seems to change about every 7 seconds or so.  I was expecting it to be more like the Mikohn displays.

Karma to Dan#2 for finding this.

Also, I have another Spectrum meter with a SD0102 chip in it that does the same thing.

[tacman]

Jeff, yeah watching dpalmi's video 7-9 sec for color change is about right. Unfortunately, I guess the sdf chip is the key, mine and Railroad94's SDF 104 chips do not support the color scrolling option, at least with that #2 dip setting.

 Dan (tacman)

[tacman]

Jeff, you sure about S2? Dip banks 1 & 2 are reversed on the board, so on in one bank is off on the other.

 Dan (tacman)

[Slotmaster]

Hello all!

I went a step further and took the "SDF100" chip out of the scrolling display and put it in the display that would not scroll...and what do you know, now that display is able to scroll.  So it seems without a doubt that the "SDF100" is the chip you need to scroll.  I'm kind of surprised a higher version of the chip would be missing that feature.  Sucks for me because now I have one display that scrolls and another that doesn't, unless I buy a PLCC burner...

Dan #2

There are two ways to change it to SDF100, one is to flash the PLCC the other is to use the IGT download tool.     The download tool uses a fiber optic converter to RS232 and the IGT update program which connects to the MPU board optics.   If you have seen the menu "download" on the S2000 that is what it's for. 

[dpalmi]

I don't mean to burst anyone's bubble but I have 2 Spectrums, both with SDF100 12 Apr 2002  in them and they don't scroll.  The large chip on the controllers are labeled Spectrum HEFF 32808401 Rev A 06JAN03.  I think the other chip next to the SDF100 chip may have something to do with it.

Hmmm...maybe there is more.  I only moved the one chip from the scrolling to the non scrolling and then the non-scrolling scrolled...so hard for me to answer.  The 2nd PLCC on one of my boards is labeled (shown below).  The other one has no label.

708 170 00
03/27/02
(1-64K)
@IGT

Also, in order to scroll is S1 -2 the only one one?

On mine, yes.  All off except s1 - 2 on.

Dan #2

[dpalmi]

There are two ways to change it to SDF100, one is to flash the PLCC the other is to use the IGT download tool.     The download tool uses a fiber optic converter to RS232 and the IGT update program which connects to the MPU board optics.   If you have seen the menu "download" on the S2000 that is what it's for. 

Is the download tool something I could get a hold of?  Also, if I could get the dowload tool and converter, I assume I would also need the SDF100 in a file version that I could use with the downloader...right?  Sounds like a burner would be easier...for me anyway

Dan #2

[idesign]

Jeff, you sure about S2? Dip banks 1 & 2 are reversed on the board, so on in one bank is off on the other.

 Dan (tacman)

Dan, I stand corrected.  You have a keen eye, those dip switches are reversed.  I had it right the first time.  All on S2 are off.  On S1 only number 2 is on.

[tacman]

Dan, all of my displays have the same label that you listed with the 70817000 number. Is this the chip you replaced or the non labeled chip above it by S1?

 Dan (tacman)

Jeff, yeah the cheaters glasses get a heck of a workout with these boards! Forget to take them off and almost killed myself walking up the steps though!