S+ Wild Cherry Cleared code 21 now shows 1 in coin played 1 in winner paid

[TomH]

It won't accept coins, candle stays lit on top and flashes fast on bottom.  Display shows 1 in coins played and 1 in winner paid

[5 ACES]

It won't accept coins, candle stays lit on top and flashes fast on bottom.  Display shows 1 in coins played and 1 in winner paid

Looking at the S+ manual, that candle combo of top light on and bottom light flashing fast, indicates that the change door is open. I'm  sure someone on here will reply with more help on your issue but hopefully this will help with a starting point of what's wrong.

[stayouttadabunker]

Did you push the "Spin" button yet?

[TomH]

it hasn't lit up and nothing happens when it's not...

[stayouttadabunker]

Does the "Coins Played" window number change at all when you open/close the door?
Watch it carefully when you close the door.
It should monetarily go out then come back on.
Please report back ASAP.
I'm here for about an hour.
I want to get your machine running the way YOU want it to............ NOW!
We don't need no stinkin' manuals! 

[TomH]

One other thing... When turning on the machine the reels stop from right to left.  Is this normal?

[5 ACES]

Yes

[TomH]

When I open the door coins played goes to 0 and there's nothing in any other display.  When shutting the door everything is blank for about 10 seconds then I get the 1 in coins played and 1 in winner paid

[5 ACES]

Does the "Coins Played" window number change at all when you open/close the door?
Watch it carefully when you close the door.
It should monetarily go out then come back on.
Please report back ASAP.
I'm here for about an hour.
I want to get your machine running the way YOU want it to............ NOW!
We don't need no stinkin' manuals!  

  Stayouttadabunker IS the human manual!!  

[stayouttadabunker]

Does the "Coins Played" window number change at all when you open/close the door?
Watch it carefully when you close the door.
It should monetarily go out then come back on.
Please report back ASAP.
I'm here for about an hour.
I want to get your machine running the way YOU want it to............ NOW!
We don't need no stinkin' manuals! 

  Stayouttadabunker IS the human manual!! 

 

When I open the door coins played goes to 0 and there's nothing in any other display.  When shutting the door everything is blank for about 10 seconds then I get the 1 in coins played and 1 in winner paid

Good.
Your door optics work.

[TomH]

Sounds like I got the "best" working on it....... I really appreciate that...

[stayouttadabunker]

Sounds like I got the "best" working on it....... I really appreciate that...

Don't blow up my head - it won't fit through the doorway...


Open the door again,
check to see if your CC has a quarter in it?
The coin in the coin comparator must match what you're trying to drop through.
This is a quarter machine right?
Has it EVER worked before in YOUR presence?

If not ---please tell us in details...we don't want to be guessing what you have or are seeing for 80 posts....lol
It would be fun to see your machine running in less than 25 posts!



Remember, the more you can tell us- the more we can help you!

[TomH]

Yes it's a quarter machine and the CC has a quarter in it.  It's an S+ Wild Cherry that I got last weekend.  It did show code 21 when I bought it but I put in new (used but good) coin in optics and it took care of that problem

[stayouttadabunker]

OKay good!

But you still have some checking to do....here we go!

Open the door and press the little friggin' tiny little button on the coin-in optics board that's located under the coin comparator.
When pressing it, does it register credits onto the reel glass display?
It's the "Service Coin" button.

This test will tell you if the coin-in optics  boards are really any good.
Check your coin-in optics connector wires too.
Make sure the ground wire is broken...usually the black wire.

Are your coins falling through the slot and back into the coin tray or into the hopper inside the machine?
Make sure the "rake" on the back of the coin comparator works freely and is NOT binding or sticking against the opening where it occupies...
The coin mech comes off easily as it's held by 4 plastic "clothespins" - just pull the mech straight towards you and the clothespins will release the mech. Watch your fingers!
The two gray wires coming off the top of the coin comparator provide the power for the "Rake"
Also, turn back your "Coin Sensitivity" dial all the way counter-clockwise then turn it forward 1/4 of a turn.
This sets the coin acceptance sensitivity of you coin comparator.

[TomH]

It registers coin played but nothing in credit window

[TomH]

"check to see if the ground wire is broken" ?

Coins are falling back into the coin tray.  Rake appears to be moving freely.

Adjusted sensitivity no change.  Tried a different CC still no change.

[stayouttadabunker]

It registers coin played but nothing in credit window

Press the spin button with the door open to spin the reels.

"check to see if the ground wire is broken" ?

Coins are falling back into the coin tray.  Rake appears to be moving freely.

Yeah...black wire...I think it's okay though or you'd have a "21" error.

Coins are falling back into the coin tray.  Rake appears to be moving freely.
Adjusted sensitivity no change.  Tried a different CC still no change.

Rakes good...coin-in optics might be bad.
Let's zero in for the kill now!

Open the door, press the Service Coin button on the coin-in optics board.
Each time you press it, the machine should "ding!" as it registers a credit.
With the door still open, press the "Spin" button.
Or the "Max" be button....the reels should 'spin'


If not, your "but I put in new (used but good) coin in optics" are no good.

Take it apart and cut the Q2 diode off of the board.

[TomH]

Reels won't spin with door open.  Spin button not lit....

[stayouttadabunker]

You have credits on the display when you press the little button on the coin-in optics?
I hope you are NOT pressing the button on the MPU computer box?

Don't worry about the "buttons not lighting up....have you ever checked
each of the lamps with a multimeter to see if they're NOT burned out?
The machine can work without any lights at all.
Lights are just for show...


make sure your buttons are fully inserted into the switches under the button deck though.
They won't work if the switches are NOT being depressed when the button is pushed.
You can see the little red or white nib that goes down into the micro-switch's body when you push down on a deck button - a plastic tang pushes the switch "nib" to activate whatever it's hooked up to.

We have 7 posts left....these ones have to be good!  

[TomH]

machine dings and registers credits. Reels spin.  All wires to buttons seated firmly.  All buttons have lit at one time or another.

I did press test button earlier to test optics and hopper.  Both passed.  I did notice that the coil behind CC and optics has a crack in the blue plastic cover?  Not sure if this means anything?

[stayouttadabunker]

machine dings and registers credits. Reels spin

Why did you tell me it did wouldn't spin earlier? You WERE pushing the wrong button huh?
nevermind...You lying to me?     (just kidding ya...)
Remember what I said, the more you can tell us - the better we can help you.


okay good!

Cut the Q2 diode off the front coin-in optic board.
It will take ANYTHING after you do this!
It's fine - you're NOT in a casino...so what right?

The Q2 diode is a small little square-looking chip with 3 legs...(an ugly little monster)
This chip is located in the middle, in between the 3 eye optics.
The eye optics are easy to spot...they look like little lights soldered to the circuit board.
You can very easily bust of this Q2 diode with the tip of a small screwdriver or tip of an Exacto knife.
If you have bad eyes, use a magnifying glass to see your knife tip get UNDER the chip
and exert upward force on it to bust it off the board.
Once you d this, and re-install the coin-in optics back together....your machine will accept coins.
This will take you the rest of the night because you've never done this before.
Talk to you tomorrow!


Some reading...>>>

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=10902.msg94825#msg94825

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=12258.msg106516#msg106516

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=10370.0

http://newlifegames.net/nlg/index.php?topic=9547.msg82577#msg82577

[TomH]

This won't hurt the optics board?

The reels are spinning after it registers credits.  Do I still remove the teeny tiny chip?

Thanks for your help!!

I'll talk with you tomorrow..

[stayouttadabunker]

This won't hurt the optics board?

The reels are spinning after it registers credits.  Do I still remove the teeny tiny chip?

Thanks for your help!!

I'll talk with you tomorrow..

Your reels are spinning after you use the "Service Coin" button but they won't spin when the door is closed and  after you drop some real coins.
The coin-in optics are the boards that send the signals to the MPU registering credits.
You can register credits manually with the Service Coin button but NOT with real coins.
Plus, coins are dropping back into the coin tray and the number changes when you open/close the door.
This means the coin comparator is allowing the coins to go through it okay and the door optcis are functioning properly but your coin-in optics boards are NOT registering real coins!

There's 2 screws to remove the whole coin mech bracket from the plate under the coin drop chute.
Remove all three connectors by their housings...not by pulling on the wires!
A small 2-pin Molex for the coin-divertor solenoid, a coin comparator white Molex, and the reddish 10-pin connector that's on the coin-in optic boards.
The coin-in optics boards are connected together by a 4 wire ribbon cable. make sure it's not broken at all.
There's a three screws to remove the boards and coin optics gateway from the bracket.
Open the circuit boards under your magnifying glass and remove the Q2 chip.
Older coin-in optic boards use a Q4 chip.
No matter what, the chip is right in the middle of the 3 optics on the board.
It does NOT hurt to remove it.
What is going on is:
There's a short INSIDE that chip which is blocking the optic signal as your coins pass through between them.
Therefore, not sending back a signal to the MPU that a coin passed through!


Reading the articles I posted above will give you a much better understanding how these coin-in optics function.
I had some pictures somewhere but I think they're on my other work computer.
Don't worry much aboput the different machine they're talking about - your S+ coin mechanisms are similar on other different kinds of machines too!

[TomH]

One other thing I forgot to mention is that the insert coin light has never come on but as you said before the lights are nothing to consider at this point

[Buzz]

 Bunker  Coin optics   ????????????????     Coins are going to the tray.