help needed with double red white blue machine

[stayouttadabunker]

Oh! Then that could be an awesome little gizmo!
It should work with the door open and doing a "hopper test" of 10 coins right?

[poppo]

It should. I noticed the one picture it had a dial on the top of it. Usually that is the delay. Maybe it's set wrong and is pulsing too fast .

Thinking about it, it should no be that difficult to do. As I mentioned, an AC relay would turn on when the hopper motor is turned on. If the contacts can be set to pulse at a certain rate, they could be connected to the coin out optics. As soon as the machine senses enough coins out, it would kill the voltage to the relay (just like it does for the hopper). But if the relay is pulsing too fast, it may generate an extra coin out before power is removed.

[reefpatrol]

they guy I got them from knew nothing about the machines, said he never even opened them or plugged them in. I bought a total of three machines from him, two igt s+, and one sigma. The two igt's both have the same little white box hooked up instead of the hopper. One works just fine.  The other one is the problem that we are working on. I will try to get some closer pictures, and try to do a drawing of the wires.

[TZtech]

Agree with Poppo that it may be a door closed issue. If your machine is operating correctly the error should clear on a door close. If the device is faulty the error should only re appear after a few seconds.
Apart from the optics there are also micro switches in the BV and lower machine door that are wired in series with the optic and should all be closed in order for machine to detect a door closed.

Ian

[poppo]

The two igt's both have the same little white box hooked up instead of the hopper. One works just fine. 

On that one, what happens when you cash out credits? Does it count them down or go into hand pay mode?

[OhioGaming]

There are times that when the 3100 error code appears it locks up the machine. No matter how many times you open and close the door it will stay there. If you run the set chip in it you will know for sure that the door optics are working.

[reefpatrol]

uuuggghhhh.......this machine !!!!

Ok, I tried to change the hopper setting like posted above. got the  1000   1     7, but the last zero on the 1000 wasnt flashing. I tried to turn the reset keyto move through it and it wouldnt do anything.
So, I figured what the heck and did the ram clear chip. turned it on and got the 61 code,  pushed the white reset button and got the 61  1, then tried tot turn the key withthe door closed and it wouldnt do anything. So now it seems like im stuck with 61  1.

now what ?

[poppo]

uuuggghhhh.......this machine !!!!

Ok, I tried to change the hopper setting like posted above. got the  1000   1     7, but the last zero on the 1000 wasnt flashing. I tried to turn the reset keyto move through it and it wouldnt do anything.
So, I figured what the heck and did the ram clear chip. turned it on and got the 61 code,  pushed the white reset button and got the 61  1, then tried tot turn the key withthe door closed and it wouldnt do anything. So now it seems like im stuck with 61  1.

now what ?

For the first part, there may have been credits on the machine which would have prevented changing the settings.


Classic sign that the door optics are not working. Since you already swapped them, check the wiring carefully. Check for bent pins on all plugs, including the MPU.  You may also want to take the reel glass off so you can look to see if the optics are lining up with the latch down.

[reefpatrol]

dont think there were any credits, but cant say for sure.

Ill try that. will even switch the optics again witht he known working ones.

[poppo]

dont think there were any credits, but cant say for sure.

Not sure if you would be able to know if there was a tilt error showing.

[OhioGaming]

If the ram clear was done it will clear credits.

If the door optics are good and aligned correct ..  See TZtech's post.

There is probably an open switch on DBV cash box door or belly door. I have see a couple of times that the third wire for the optics on the cabinet side .. usually wrapped up in the back right corner of the reel tray ..  with an open end may need to be fastened to ground.

[knagl]

I agree, the optics or the wiring for them are very suspect at this point, or as Ken suggested a cash can switch or wiring.

[poppo]

If the ram clear was done it will clear credits.

True, but he had first tried changing the limits before doing the clear. So there may have been some on there prior to that.

[stayouttadabunker]

I agree with Poppo...
reefpatrol got to Page <7> via the test button but couldn't change
the last digit because it wasn't flashing.

Which brings us to this possibility -
If one isn't allowed to make changes then that signifies that
there are credits in the machine, right?

This would be the time to use a Clear chip.
Wipe out the credits and get the machine going.
Play to a winning combination and see if the hopper emulator
will work or set off the [3100] error code...

If so, then with the credits now erased from the RAM -
he should be able to get back to Page <7> and set the Hopper Limits
to zero to get the machine playable..
albeit utilizing the reset key every time he wants to wipe out the credits.


I still have a question however, I can't remember if reefpatrol said that
his "Coins Played" window display changes when he closes the door or not?
Seems like what knagl said...reset key isn't working when the door is closed
to boot the MPU while in [61-1].

[poppo]

This would be the time to use a Clear chip.
Wipe out the credits and get the machine going.

Which is what he did, but now he can't get rid of the 61_1 which looks like a door close issue. That may also be why the original 3100 would not clear. He did swap the optics with know good ones, but that doesn't mean they are aligned or the wiring is good. And as others have noted there may be another switch somewhere that is not closed.

[stayouttadabunker]

yep...I'd be going through all the sensor switch wiring -
making sure there's continuity in all of them!
Belly door wires wired together, cash can door switch wires wired together, etc etc.
Also, taking a video camera to the emitter door optic lamp -
to see if there's anything actually coming outta there!

If he swapped both emitter and receiver optics already...there may be a break some where.

[OhioGaming]

I agree with Poppo...
reefpatrol got to Page <7> via the test button but couldn't change
the last digit because it wasn't flashing.

Which brings us to this possibility -
If one isn't allowed to make changes then that signifies that
there are credits in the machine, right?

With out going back and reading all of the posts to find out what SP he has .. the dip switch settings will lock the 7 settings and no digits will blink with lower SP numbers.

[reefpatrol]

I took the reel glass off so I could see the optics. Put optics in from a known working machine. I still cant get rid of the 61_1. When I turn the key it does nothing.
There is a wire on the inside of the cash box door that the end it wrapped in electrical tape. Is that another optic of some sorts ? I dont actually see any type of "switch" in the cash box.

[poppo]

With out going back and reading all of the posts to find out what SP he has .. the dip switch settings will lock the 7 settings and no digits will blink with lower SP numbers.

SP1145. No dip switches are used.

[poppo]

There is a wire on the inside of the cash box door that the end it wrapped in electrical tape.

Wire or wires? If two, they should be shorted together under that tape.

[stayouttadabunker]

oh yeah? I never knew that Ohio!
Thanks for the info!  
You learn something new everyday!

I think he has the SP1145 though?


uh...the wires tied together in the cash door were the cash door switch at one time.
Take off the tape and see if they are indeed twisted together...
they come apart sometimes if they're not soldered or wire nutted.
Is there a couple of wires going to your belly door?

[poppo]

Is there an echo in here? 

[stayouttadabunker]

You KEEP posting while I'm typing Poppo!!!   

ADD>>> well at least we're pretty on the same page in
troubleshooting reefpatrol's Hurricane Katrina disaster project.
I wonder what that motherboard looked like?
A pile of rust?
If this thing actually fires up... and stays on for more than 24 hours
without anything blowing up...I'll be surprised! lol

[OhioGaming]

To test the optics in the machine ... press the self test switch (3 times?) until 10  1 appears  ... turn the jackpot reset key until 13   x appears. Close the door and if 0 and 1 alternate blinks then the door optics are good.

[stayouttadabunker]

To test the optics in the machine ... press the self test switch (3 times?) until 10  1 appears  ... turn the jackpot reset key until 13   x appears. Close the door and if 0 and 1 alternate blinks then the door optics are good.

Naw...That's too easy....


(great suggestion K....lol )