Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #800 on: January 18, 2007, 10:46:27 AM »   

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Quote from: Jay on January 18, 2007, 10:23:17 AM
The secret to using that loop command is to put a number after it. That indicates the number of times that it needs to loop.

Thing is that my software manual is for the MM104 (or whatever is was) computer, and I have a PSP DOS version that is screen driven. In it one is supposed to select from the choice of commands from the menu at the top by pressing keys like <F3> or <shft><F6> etc. and this action inserts an ASCII control character into the text of the .do file that performs the command. There is no loop command available, and when I tried entering it as it was listed in the manual -- I believe it was brackets: e.g. "[9 blah ]" or "[09 blah ]" (tried both with and without the leading zero) -- it just displayed the text of what I typed literally on the screen. i.e. "[9 blah ]"

Note that for the time command, I got different results as well. Setting 1 is supposed to be 30 seconds, 2 - 15 seconds .. down to 9 equalling 0.5 seconds. What I got was 1 equalling about 0.75 seconds increasing to 9 equalling about 7 seconds. Trying 10 just acted as a "1" and printed the 0.

So I was forced to enter about 16 sets of paragraphs, dance, JP8's with max time (9) to get what I wanted.   And the program screen will not let you cut/copy/paste, either, so I had to write it out 16 times     

Seems there were several versions of software to program these things. In the Mikohn manual there are references to creating text file commands and batch (.bat) files. Looked very cool, and I KNOW how to do that stuff    But it obviously worked with a different set of hardware.

Maybe if I could get my hands on one of the other ways to program it..
 
 

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #801 on: January 18, 2007, 11:43:19 AM »   

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The command is not loop but REPEAT.

Your command would be something like

F1 (Start paragraph)
F3 (Travel Motion)
F6 (Speed Command)
4 (just a number - but it specifies the speed).
This is a Test  (just some random text before the repeat section so you prove that it works)
C-F5 (Repeat Start)
3 (number of times you want it to repeat)
New Life Games is Cool (Note the leading space before the N in New life. You need a space between the 3 and the N otherwise it doesn't work)
C-F6 (Repeat end)
Hello World (just some random text after the repeat section so you prove that it works)

Hope this helps.

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #802 on: January 18, 2007, 11:54:48 AM »   

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Just to respond to the rest of your post I have only found 1 version of PSP so far.
For the supremes there is a downloader program that dumps out graphic files to the display but then PSP is used to generate the text and jackpot amounts.

I have been able to modify the message files with Debug or other hex editors that do allow copy paste but there is a catch.

PSP only loads the files when it starts, and only writes them when it exits so if you are trying to quickly make changes then you need to quit PSP make the change with the editor of your choice, then restart PSP, go back to option 4 (message programming) and do a send. It actually takes you longer than just plugging away.

Since it is standard RS232 communications between the laptop and the CON1 (or other controller), so I have been tempted to write my own version in VB which of course would allow you modify the files using standard windows type editing. I am sure the casinos would buy this, but I am not too sure how happy IGT would be.

I spoke to a casino tech at Harrahs when I was last in vegas. Cool guy actually talked to me, but then again I didn't ask him where the jackpot payout dial was. He told me how his management went out and blew a ton of money for all new laptops for all the techs (thinking that they were doing good by the guys  but they were XP-Pro and USB only so they couldn't use them for any of the signs. Their last Windows 98 laptop died so now they have a truck cart where they roll out a desktop with a real serial port when they have to make updates. We both got a laugh about this.
 

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #803 on: January 18, 2007, 01:11:58 PM »   

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Quote from: Jay on January 18, 2007, 11:43:19 AM
The command is not loop but REPEAT.

Your command would be something like

F1 (Start paragraph)
F3 (Travel Motion)
F6 (Speed Command)
4 (just a number - but it specifies the speed).
This is a Test  (just some random text before the repeat section so you prove that it works)
C-F5 (Repeat Start)
3 (number of times you want it to repeat)
 New Life Games is Cool (Note the leading space before the N in New life. You need a space between the 3 and the N otherwise it doesn't work)
C-F6 (Repeat end)
Hello World (just some random text after the repeat section so you prove that it works)

Hope this helps.

Ahhhh, now I see the problem. My computer doesn't have an Any key!!

My program (PSP V 2.00 C1991) has the following listed:
C-F1 Odometer 
C-F2 Throb  (?? did not seem to do anything when I tried it)
C-F3 Single Width character
C-F4 Double Width character (?? Neither of these made any difference in testing, either)
C-F5 Font Select (?? Also did nothing in testing: errored when a number was tried, and when set to something like "ARIEL" or "ODOMTR8" or anything else I  tried did not err, but did not do anything, either
C-F6  --  C-F6 ?? "We don't have no steenkeen' Si-Eff-Sieexes !   


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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #803 on: January 18, 2007, 01:11:58 PM »   

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Quote from: Jay on January 18, 2007, 11:43:19 AM
The command is not loop but REPEAT.

Your command would be something like

F1 (Start paragraph)
F3 (Travel Motion)
F6 (Speed Command)
4 (just a number - but it specifies the speed).
This is a Test  (just some random text before the repeat section so you prove that it works)
C-F5 (Repeat Start)
3 (number of times you want it to repeat)
 New Life Games is Cool (Note the leading space before the N in New life. You need a space between the 3 and the N otherwise it doesn't work)
C-F6 (Repeat end)
Hello World (just some random text after the repeat section so you prove that it works)

Hope this helps.

Ahhhh, now I see the problem. My computer doesn't have an Any key!!

My program (PSP V 2.00 C1991) has the following listed:
C-F1 Odometer 
C-F2 Throb  (?? did not seem to do anything when I tried it)
C-F3 Single Width character
C-F4 Double Width character (?? Neither of these made any difference in testing, either)
C-F5 Font Select (?? Also did nothing in testing: errored when a number was tried, and when set to something like "ARIEL" or "ODOMTR8" or anything else I  tried did not err, but did not do anything, either
C-F6  --  C-F6 ?? "We don't have no steenkeen' Si-Eff-Sieexes !   


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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #806 on: January 19, 2007, 07:52:16 AM »   

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If the Cham II+ only supports 12 cell displays which is 60 x 8 why does it have the size options like 60, ?, 72 etc

Also can I use a con1 or to make the cham II+ work with 2 machines  I think my ROM is version 2.03
 

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #807 on: January 19, 2007, 08:03:36 AM »   

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Cham II's or Pluses only work with CON2's.  You will need a CHAM1 to interface that with a con1.  The ChamII+ is a single machine stand-alone controller, and as such, you cannot officially make it work with more than 1 machine. You could splice in, the 2nd machine's coin in/ground into the controller, but you would not be able to simoultaneously hit spin at the same time on both machines.  While I have not tried this theory, it should work.  You just have to "take turns" spinning the reels.

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #808 on: January 19, 2007, 09:24:33 AM »   

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Quote from: rickhunter on January 19, 2007, 08:03:36 AM
Cham II's or Pluses only work with CON2's.  You will need a CHAM1 to interface that with a con1.  The ChamII+ is a single machine stand-alone controller, and as such, you cannot officially make it work with more than 1 machine. You could splice in, the 2nd machine's coin in/ground into the controller, but you would not be able to simoultaneously hit spin at the same time on both machines.  While I have not tried this theory, it should work.  You just have to "take turns" spinning the reels.

I have tried 2 machine on a CHAMII+ and it works as long as you don't spin the reels at exactly the same time. As split second apart works to but sometimes it only picked up only 1 or 2 of the pulses.

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #809 on: January 19, 2007, 09:30:01 AM »   

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Quote from: Foster on January 19, 2007, 07:52:16 AM
If the Cham II+ only supports 12 cell displays which is 60 x 8 why does it have the size options like 60, ?, 72 etc


That's a good question Foster.

There are several kinds of meters out the other than the standard  5 X 8,  12 cells.  I have a smaller 12 cell with 5 X 7 that fits into a Wild Cherry, RWB and 5 Line Triple Diamond.  I have seen oversize 12 cell displays in slant top machines also but theey alway have 60 pixels (12 cells).

I think Mikohn gave it the ability to use other than 12 cell meters but they may never have been used.  I think there are several features in the CHAMII+ that were never implemented.......like the 2 minute timeout mess.do file.
 

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #810 on: January 19, 2007, 11:43:10 AM »   

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Quote from: Foster on January 19, 2007, 07:52:16 AM
If the Cham II+ only supports 12 cell displays which is 60 x 8 why does it have the size options like 60, ?, 72 etc

Also can I use a con1 or to make the CHAM II+ work with 2 machines  I think my ROM is version 2.03



Well, I got two different sized 8 cell meters with my CHAM II+'s. They have 8 LEDs each segment so the CHAM II+ needs to be set to 64 (8x8) for these, and they work fine with the units. I had to look elsewhere to get the more standard 12 cell (12x5) meters that I needed for my display. They work fine, too when set to 60.

So I believe that any meter with a horizontal pixel count equalling one of the values listed in the ROM will work, as long as it is a single meter (not a matrix of meters).
 
 

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #813 on: January 28, 2007, 09:17:42 PM »   

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Quote from: StatFreak on January 18, 2007, 01:11:58 PM
Quote from: Jay on January 18, 2007, 11:43:19 AM
The command is not loop but REPEAT.

Your command would be something like

F1 (Start paragraph)
F3 (Travel Motion)
F6 (Speed Command)
4 (just a number - but it specifies the speed).
This is a Test  (just some random text before the repeat section so you prove that it works)
C-F5 (Repeat Start)
3 (number of times you want it to repeat)
 New Life Games is Cool (Note the leading space before the N in New life. You need a space between the 3 and the N otherwise it doesn't work)
C-F6 (Repeat end)
Hello World (just some random text after the repeat section so you prove that it works)

Hope this helps.

Ahhhh, now I see the problem. My computer doesn't have an Any key!!

My program (PSP V 2.00 C1991) has the following listed:
C-F1 Odometer
C-F2 Throb  (?? did not seem to do anything when I tried it)
C-F3 Single Width character
C-F4 Double Width character (?? Neither of these made any difference in testing, either)
C-F5 Font Select (?? Also did nothing in testing: errored when a number was tried, and when set to something like "ARIEL" or "ODOMTR8" or anything else I  tried did not err, but did not do anything, either
C-F6  --  Do not have this command ( Modified post )




Actually, while I played for humor in my original response, I really was hoping for some help.

Does anyone know why my copy of the program lists CF-2 through CF-5 differently than the norm, and does not have a listing for CF-6?
Does anyone else have this issue or know why my copy's different?

Might it be possible to find a version of the program that has the repeat function that I need?

Thanks.
 
 

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #814 on: January 28, 2007, 09:25:04 PM »   

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I am using mine with a CON1.

If you fire up PSP and choose CON1 is this feature there ? and perhaps not in the CHAMII area.

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #815 on: January 28, 2007, 10:00:20 PM »   

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Quote from: Jay on January 28, 2007, 09:25:04 PM
I am using mine with a CON1.

If you fire up PSP and choose CON1 is this feature there ? and perhaps not in the CHAMII area.

Is this a CON1?  Would it be worth it to add it to my setup, keeping in mind that the machine is a stand-alone?
 

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #816 on: January 28, 2007, 10:16:22 PM »   

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I do believe it is a CON1, but I am not sure you can use it. This one is fiber optic enabled. I think it is designed to link into other remote controllers you will note this only has FIBER IN.

The 8pin connector on the board is what drives the LED5/LED4 controllers that drive the display.
on a CON1i (note the i for IGT) you would also have a 5 pin to 33 pin connector depending on how many machines its designed for.

1 line is common and the other 4 or 32 go to each machine to create a linked progressive.
You can use use it as a standalone with 1 slot but it is kind of overkill and you would also need a LED4 (large sign controller) or LED5 (small in machine controller) for a display.

Here is what this would look like.

SLOT ==== CON1 ==== LED5 === In machine display

The most common model supports up to 32 machines and 6 displays.

 

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #817 on: January 28, 2007, 10:21:04 PM »   

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What do I do to make my SA Cham II+ easily run 2 machines and not have a communication issue

Just noticed its out of sync with the IGT internal progressiveby by a fair amount

internal is at 52400.00 and the Cham II+ is at 521,910.00 supposed be int * 10 = Cham II+

 

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #818 on: January 28, 2007, 10:25:47 PM »   

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You won't get a true multiple machine from a single standalone but as I understand it, all you would need to do is to twin the slot wires and put a diode in-line on each of the Coin Ins. I am not even sure that is necessary.

 

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #819 on: January 28, 2007, 10:37:03 PM »   

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You sure you have the same percentage set on the internal as well as the external ?

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #820 on: January 28, 2007, 10:46:15 PM »   

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The Machine is configured as a 2.00 denom with a 50% per coin in under the set chip options (S+ 1309 chip)
Cham II+ set for $10.00 per coin in making

I took the machine value and multiplied it by 10 and reloaded it into the cham II+

Could been sometime the desktop got the F2 key pushed (loading the current values from the Cham II+ into the software) then short time later F1 was pushed causing a lowered amount being sent to the Cham II+

I would love to use my cham II with proper add on components to make it a true linked progressive
would love to find cheap but workable wireless link between the progressive controllers I will need to use

Example
S2000 -> Mikohn Con1/2 <-> Wireless TX/RX   
S+ -> Mikohn Con1/2 -> Cham II+ <-> wireless TX/RX

sign connected to Cham II+

                                     

the other machine will be a S2000

 

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #821 on: January 28, 2007, 10:49:17 PM »   

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Quote from: Jay on January 28, 2007, 10:16:22 PM
I do believe it is a CON1, but I am not sure you can use it. This one is fiber optic enabled. I think it is designed to link into other remote controllers you will note this only has FIBER IN.

The 8pin connector on the board is what drives the LED5/LED4 controllers that drive the display.
on a CON1i (note the i for IGT) you would also have a 5 pin to 33 pin connector depending on how many machines its designed for.

1 line is common and the other 4 or 32 go to each machine to create a linked progressive.
You can use use it as a standalone with 1 slot but it is kind of overkill and you would also need a LED4 (large sign controller) or LED5 (small in machine controller) for a display.

Here is what this would look like.

SLOT ==== CON1 ==== LED5 === In machine display

The most common model supports up to 32 machines and 6 displays.



So is this an LED5?  Notice that although it looks similar to the display driver piggy-back board, it has two make pin connectors instead of one male and one female on the back.


That's a regular display piggy-back board on the right for comparrison in the last picture.
 

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #822 on: January 28, 2007, 10:53:29 PM »   

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What am I getting myself into trying to link 2 machines

note not praticle to run wires between the machines

other option would be let the S2000 have the Cham II+ and leave IGT progressive in S+

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #823 on: January 28, 2007, 11:17:14 PM »   

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Nope thats not a LED5. It looks like a piggy back board but I am not sure for what.

A LED5 (also known as a Cham1) or a LED4 (also known as a Cham 4 or Cham 44) looks very similar to a ChamII/ChamII+
The board sits atop a Mikohn power supply.

If you have a ChamII+ you can set it to be in link mode and drive it from a CON2. The picture is basically the same as what I described before.
Note a ChamII (no plus) is simply a link mode controller and cannot work standalone. The ChamII+ is a standalone but can also do link. The link mode only controllers are a lot cheaper than the II+'s that can do standalone.

SLOT===CON2===CHAMII==Display.
or if you are doing the large over head signs

SLOT===CON2===Supreme
The supreme has the built in controller.

The CON2 is what is designed to take multiple machine input.

As noted in my earlier post if you were to simply parallel your ChamII+ wires you can drive multiple machines but the chances of 2 machines being fed a coin at the exact same time increases the possibiltiy that it will lose the occasional bet. Acceptable in a house not so acceptable in a regulated casino environment.

Per doing this wirelessly I would have loved to complete this feat myself.
The slot input is probably not that big of a deal as it simply does a closure of the common and the coin in for a 1 sec pulse. On a WIN it holds it closed for 3 seconds.  .... if you want to mickey mouse this you could take a X10 controller at the slot end and connect it up to the ON- switch, then use a universal module at the ChamII+ end. I doubt this would be sensitive enough to generate the 3sec closure needed for a big win lock up but it would probably count coins for you.

The connection between the CON1 and the LED5 is only 2 wires and is a proprietary serial that sends the jackpot amount to the sign 5 times a second. I once tried to read this into my computer by using the rx and gnd and could never get more than gibberish even when playiing all the combinations of baud, 7/8 bit, stop bits etc. It wasn't even repeating gibberish that was perhaps encoded. So I ruled out using a couple of computers and wi-fi as the answer. You could probably take the output into a opt-amp and then send that through somekind of wireless and then put it back into the standard input but this is well beyond my electronic abilities to do it right.

 

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #825 on: January 28, 2007, 11:29:52 PM »   

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Research time

May also look into finding the IGT S2000 progressive components
 

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #826 on: January 29, 2007, 08:43:36 AM »   

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Did some one say mikohn ???? What all are you looking for we are over run with mikhon stuff     new and used stuff   
 

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #827 on: January 29, 2007, 09:16:31 AM »   

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Quote from: Foster on January 28, 2007, 11:29:52 PM
Research time

May also look into finding the IGT S2000 progressive components


I think what you will be looking for is a "Spectrum" display.  This is IGTs NETPLEX version of the Mikon Progressive Glass display.  It connects via the netplex serial system (which is what I think the S-2000 would be using).

I mistakenly purchased one of these off Ebay (for around $10) thinking it would work with MIKOHN.  It didn't.  But eventually, I was able to hook it up to my GK video poker.  The display size (right to left) is larger than the standard 12 cell Mikohn.  But since the display is always right justified, I just burried the unused dots off to the left of the payglass window.

It is only a display device.  ALL the Progressive infomation is set up directly in the GK software (just like setting up an IGT progressive on an S+).  Not sure if you have those options in the S-2000 or if it will require a special Base program chip.

 

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #828 on: January 29, 2007, 12:10:05 PM »   

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What are the part numbers on that board?

The IGT progrssive has numbers like 751-190-0x and 751-073-0x as shown in the Electronics Diagrams

The diagram looks kind similar to the IGT LED Prograssive system for he S+ and Players Edge

They are only showing a block diagram part numbers and labeled the wiring in the ribbon cables