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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #741 on: December 27, 2006, 07:43:51 AM »   

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I just want to correct the earlier post. I have since been told that a ChamII+ will NOT drive a supreme, and that you need a CON2. 

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #742 on: December 27, 2006, 04:16:02 PM »   

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Quote from: Jay on December 27, 2006, 07:43:51 AM
I just want to correct the earlier post. I have since been told that a ChamII+ will NOT drive a supreme, and that you need a CON2.
Thats right...you need a CONII to talk to the supreme. You do not need CHAMII+ units on the machines to run progressive totals to the CONII I (IGT). It (the CONII I) takes the coin in and jackpot signals off the mother board and then sends progressive info to the supreme. I have a standalone CON II I but I have been running a 6 machines and 2 displays... a 1 X 3 and a 2 X 3. Coin in signals are all run in to the same port on the CONII I. Rarely does it miss a coin in signal or jackpot signal...even with all 6 being played at the same time. Going to part with my 2 X 3 soon with the 2 power supply's and supreme...   .  but such is life.

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« Reply #743 on: December 27, 2006, 07:19:22 PM »   

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Going to part with my 2 X 3 soon with the 2 power supply's and supreme...   .  but such is life.

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Tim,

Did you say the 2X3 requires 2 power supplies? What size (Amperage) supply(s) will I need for my 2x3?

Thanks!
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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #744 on: December 27, 2006, 08:40:56 PM »   

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I run a 1 x 10 and I use 3 power supplies. These are the older Cham1 displays.
Rule of thumb on mine are no more than 4 panels to a supply.
I am not sure of either the rating or the draw, other than its Mikohn.

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« Reply #745 on: December 29, 2006, 03:25:13 PM »   

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These are 130 amp 5 V....and they are a good 2" longer than the CHAMII supplys. Here is a picture of when I first rec my 2 X 3. There are 3 PS in the picture but one was an Xtra Supreme with another same size PS on it....all 5 V. Note that Supreme boards use 5 OR 12 V....Not both. My set up was a factory as it gets from what I was told and the wiring was attached to the 2 X 3....2 sets of Mikohn plugs with dedicated wires to the exact legnth. It is wired to run one 1 X 3 to each PS...top to bottom. 

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« Reply #746 on: December 29, 2006, 03:58:32 PM »   

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Quote from: cessnac182golf on December 29, 2006, 03:25:13 PM
These are 130 amp 5 V....and they are a good 2" longer than the CHAMII supplys. Here is a picture of when I first rec my 2 X 3. There are 3 PS in the picture but one was an Xtra Supreme with another same size PS on it....all 5 V. Note that Supreme boards use 5 OR 12 V....Not both. My set up was a factory as it gets from what I was told and the wiring was attached to the 2 X 3....2 sets of Mikohn plugs with dedicated wires to the exact legnth. It is wired to run one 1 X 3 to each PS...top to bottom.

Correction, that's 130 Watt, not 130 Amp.

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« Reply #747 on: December 29, 2006, 06:22:17 PM »   

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Two Supplies, 260 Watt total would be 52 AMPS at 5 Volts!  Wow!  These puppies really suck the juice!   
Just picked up my second 30 AMP supply, so I should be good to go! 

Thanks for the help!
 

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« Reply #748 on: December 30, 2006, 04:38:10 AM »   

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The LED displays give off a lot of heat.  I have 2 low cfm/db fans on each of mine and they actually contribute to heating up my game room.

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #749 on: December 30, 2006, 09:34:41 AM »   

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Quote from: idesign on December 29, 2006, 03:58:32 PM
Quote from: cessnac182golf on December 29, 2006, 03:25:13 PM
These are 130 amp 5 V....and they are a good 2" longer than the CHAMII supplys. Here is a picture of when I first rec my 2 X 3. There are 3 PS in the picture but one was an Xtra Supreme with another same size PS on it....all 5 V. Note that Supreme boards use 5 OR 12 V....Not both. My set up was a factory as it gets from what I was told and the wiring was attached to the 2 X 3....2 sets of Mikohn plugs with dedicated wires to the exact legnth. It is wired to run one 1 X 3 to each PS...top to bottom.

Correction, that's 130 Watt, not 130 Amp.
OOPS! Watt you say is right!

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #751 on: January 02, 2007, 07:14:06 PM »   

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Have my 2x3 display mounted!
Made the box out of 1x4 pine, and painted it black. It's only 3 1/2" deep.
I went way too dark with the tint. I'll replaced that with a lighter shade.
The power supply and supreme in a slot stand down below.
I made some adapters so I could run Cat5 cable up to the sign instead of ribbon cable.
I am running on one set of power wires. At full graphics it has never pulled over 7 amps.
Have an 8 amp fuse, (it's all I had), in line just to be sure and its been on for days with no problems.
Put a thermometer up in the box, and it shows 8 degrees above room temp. I have not cut any vent holes yet.
Thanks to Tim, (Cessnac182golf), for the graphics, They're Great!
Next is to get it interfaced with the machines.

Ed

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« Reply #754 on: January 02, 2007, 07:50:18 PM »   

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Quote from: edski on January 02, 2007, 07:14:06 PM
I made some adapters so I could run Cat5 cable up to the sign instead of ribbon cable.
I am running on one set of power wires. At full graphics it has never pulled over 7 amps.
Have an 8 amp fuse, (it's all I had), in line just to be sure and its been on for days with no problems.

Ed

Looks Great Ed! Nice idea running Cat5 up to the display instead of ribbon cable!   
I am a bit confused about the current draw ...  I thought these signs required TWO hefty (130 Watt -26 Amp each) power supplies.
What size supply do you have?
Are you referring to the Primary (115Volt AC) Current draw?
I would think that a single fully lit panel would draw more than 7 Amps at 5 Volts.

 

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« Reply #755 on: January 02, 2007, 08:12:09 PM »   

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Quote from: CommTech on January 02, 2007, 07:50:18 PM

I am a bit confused about the current draw ...  I thought these signs required TWO hefty (130 Watt -26 Amp each) power supplies.


Reading the comments on this thread, I thought so too.
I have a standard ChamII supply.
I put a DC ampmeter in series with the 5v line. 7A has been the max so far.
I am curious if anyone else has measured the current draw?
While the power supply cranks out some heat, the sign itself has been cool.

I only have the one sign, so we'll have to wait for someone else measure the current on their's and we can compare.

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #756 on: January 03, 2007, 04:35:50 AM »   

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Interesting.........my power supplies run cool but the displays are the parts that give off the heat. 

The power supply you are using wasn't designed for this type of aplplication and I'm a bit confused myself.  Also, I'm curious about the film you used.  I used the dark smoke and mine is too bright as compared to the 1 X 3 Mikohn unit I purchased.  From what I have seen inside actual displays like this, there are 2 supreme power supplies (the ones that are rated at 130W @ 5v), one power supply for each bank of 3 meters.  I have those original parts including the wiring harnesses that are set up for only 3 meters per power supply.

I'm wondering if the power supply you are using isn't putting out enough to make them brighter.

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« Reply #757 on: January 03, 2007, 06:35:39 AM »   

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I will do some experimenting, one panel at a time, and see what the current is.
Got to figure this out.
I need a "test pattern" to turn everything on.

The sign is very bright without the tint.
When I was at the store looking at all the tint shades, I chose "LIMO BLACK".
It looked good then, but it is way too dark on the sign.

I'll post results.

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #758 on: January 03, 2007, 08:44:49 AM »   

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Hey Ed,
Look for 20% smoke tint.
(Limo is 5%)

Later,
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« Reply #759 on: January 03, 2007, 08:56:32 AM »   

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Maybe thats why the current is so low.
The light can't get out.   

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #760 on: January 03, 2007, 04:35:52 PM »   

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Quote from: edski on January 02, 2007, 07:14:06 PM
Have my 2x3 display mounted!
Made the box out of 1x4 pine, and painted it black. It's only 3 1/2" deep.
I went way too dark with the tint. I'll replaced that with a lighter shade.
The power supply and supreme in a slot stand down below.
I made some adapters so I could run Cat5 cable up to the sign instead of ribbon cable.
I am running on one set of power wires. At full graphics it has never pulled over 7 amps.
Have an 8 amp fuse, (it's all I had), in line just to be sure and its been on for days with no problems.
Put a thermometer up in the box, and it shows 8 degrees above room temp. I have not cut any vent holes yet.
Thanks to Tim, (Cessnac182golf), for the graphics, They're Great!
Next is to get it interfaced with the machines.

Ed
Looks just TOOOOO COOOOOL!!        Now remember that you can run as many graphic/progressive programs that the supreme memory can hold. I have my 2 running as many as 6 to 8 each mixed with 1 and 2 line progressive totals along with the multiple messages and the 2 min time out message. Load her up!   And...just like IDESIGN's unit ....my power supplys run cool and the meter gives off the heat. Think you need some more juce.  Looks GREAT!!!   

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #761 on: January 04, 2007, 05:06:01 PM »   

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I could use some help.
I have read about 20%-25% of these posts, but cannot find solutions to my issues.
First issue:
I bought 2 ChamII+ units, and both have the same problem:
On boot ROM check I get C17 - CRC Error.     

After booting, if I turn on tests in the test menu, the ROM and RAM tests are OK (Both ROM 0.0 and 0.1)
All other tests are OK (except the UART which is supposed to fail).

second issue:
I'm using an unaltered serial cable running PSP in a DOS window under XP to COM1. The program will not talk to either of my ChamII+ units, giving me a "default communication error" error message.

I have tried the following with each unit based on what I've read here so far:

1)  Reading from the unit(s) in PSP (communication failure)
2)  Writing to the unit(s) in PSP (nothing happens - no communication)
3)  Pull out U4 (RAM) for 2 minutes and re-insert (does not clear C17)
4)  ReBirth (does not clear C17)
5)  Pull out U5 (flash) and turn unit(s) on without this chip. (C17 error still occurs)

Stickers:
U19: CH2 STA/V1.61   98MK   K2/HC7A    U19  cs:F804
U10: CSSA V1.3
board:  341-075-00 CSTLR STND ALONE ... (with barcode)

I also get minor C10, C14 errors when in SA mode, but i figure if I can clear the main checksum error and reset the boards, those would go away.

PS: I'm looking to set one of these up as a stand-alone, and keep the other for a spare (for now).

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« Reply #762 on: January 04, 2007, 05:29:10 PM »   

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I have seen the C17 error before.  I believe those chips are mismatched, as I recall the 1.61 should have a CSSA 1.2.

Also, you can't use a standard serial cable with out the jumper between pins 1 and 5.

Those other error should go away when you have it programmed and connected to a machine.

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« Reply #763 on: January 04, 2007, 06:20:14 PM »   

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Quote from: idesign on January 04, 2007, 05:29:10 PM
I have seen the C17 error before.  I believe those chips are mismatched, as I recall the 1.61 should have a CSSA 1.2.

Also, you can't use a standard serial cable with out the jumper between pins 1 and 5.

Those other error should go away when you have it programmed and connected to a machine.

From what I read, one should use the 1-5 jumper for the CON1 and CON2, but not the Cham II+  ?? Is that wrong?
How do I go about matching the chips? (which of the two (U10, U19) should I try to find, and which would be easier to find?)

Thanks again  ,
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« Reply #764 on: January 04, 2007, 07:43:22 PM »   

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Quote from: edski on January 02, 2007, 08:12:09 PM

I have a standard ChamII supply.
I put a DC ampmeter in series with the 5v line. 7A has been the max so far.
I am curious if anyone else has measured the current draw?
While the power supply cranks out some heat, the sign itself has been cool.

I only have the one sign, so we'll have to wait for someone else measure the current on their's and we can compare.

Ed

I measured the current draw using a ONE supreme panel for testing.   The following are the results ...

Maximum current draw (ALL LED Dots illuminated in ORANGE) = 6 Amps;   With ALL GREEN OR ALL RED, the current draw was 4 Amps.

So for a 1 X 2:  Max Draw would be 12 Amps
            1 X 3:  Max Draw would be 18 Amps
            2 X 3:  Max Draw would be 36 Amps

A Standard CHAM 2 Power supply ( 780-027-50) is rated at a Max of 10 Amps* (50 Watt) at 5 Volts. 
*The current rating may be less than 10 Amps since this is a dual supply 5V and 12V.
 

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« Reply #765 on: January 05, 2007, 03:48:05 AM »   

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Quote from: StatFreak on January 04, 2007, 06:20:14 PM
From what I read, one should use the 1-5 jumper for the CON1 and CON2, but not the Cham II+  ?? Is that wrong?

David,

I had exactly the same problem as you with the C17, it showed up when first turned on for about three secs and then the boot sequence started and finally ended up with the following alternating:
C2 in green
C10 in red
C14 in red

When I did finally get the PSP to talk to the ChamII+ all of the errors went away, even the C17. I guess yours would too, somone else may be able to clarify, but thats what happened to me.

Regarding the cable, I built the jumpered version and it didn't work, I got frustrated and ended up using a plain one as you are and it worked a treat. I had a problem initially using a PC with window98se on, but when I hooked up to the XP machine it worked first time. Do you have another PC you could try?

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« Reply #766 on: January 05, 2007, 04:23:07 AM »   

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Quote from: StatFreak on January 04, 2007, 06:20:14 PM


From what I read, one should use the 1-5 jumper for the CON1 and CON2, but not the Cham II+  ?? Is that wrong?
How do I go about matching the chips? (which of the two (U10, U19) should I try to find, and which would be easier to find?)

Thanks again  ,
David


I couldn't get my PC to communicate with any of my CHAMII+ units until I used a jumper cable.  Try it, you nothing to loose.

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« Reply #767 on: January 05, 2007, 05:15:53 AM »   

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 is there a way to get a 2 min. time out on a Cham II+
mine just flips back and forth

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« Reply #768 on: January 05, 2007, 06:33:44 AM »   

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Quote from: CommTech on January 04, 2007, 07:43:22 PM

I measured the current draw using a ONE supreme panel for testing.   The following are the results ...

Maximum current draw (ALL LED Dots illuminated in ORANGE) = 6 Amps;   With ALL GREEN OR ALL RED, the current draw was 4 Amps.

So for a 1 X 2:  Max Draw would be 12 Amps
            1 X 3:  Max Draw would be 18 Amps
            2 X 3:  Max Draw would be 36 Amps

A Standard CHAM 2 Power supply ( 780-027-50) is rated at a Max of 10 Amps* (50 Watt) at 5 Volts. 
*The current rating may be less than 10 Amps since this is a dual supply 5V and 12V.


This is really good information.  Thanks for sharing. Karma for you CommTech.

So those 130 Watt/5 Volt Supreme power supplies are rated at 26 Amps and that's why there were 2 power supplies with the 2 X 3 sign parts I purchased.