Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info

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« Reply #656 on: October 15, 2006, 06:55:08 AM »   

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OK, you didn't explain that part to begin with so I fiigued you were trying to hook it up to an IGT.  As you probably discovered, the CHAMII+ manual is silent regarding Williams machines.  Rick Hunter may be able to help since he has Williams.

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« Reply #659 on: October 15, 2006, 07:06:30 AM »   

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That is one thing I was hoping not to hear because my MS only goes to 22 . Maybe A newer version than 1.41 would have it 
 
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« Reply #658 on: October 15, 2006, 07:01:21 AM »   

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Try MS25 I think this is  is the setting for a WMS and also make sure you have DPS set correctly.


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« Reply #657 on: October 15, 2006, 07:00:16 AM »   

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Sorry about the confussion ,just drinking coffee and wondering why no MS #
 
 

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« Reply #660 on: October 15, 2006, 07:11:10 AM »   

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Think you might need a 2.7 or higher mate, no guarentees but that's what I put my money on.
 

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #661 on: October 15, 2006, 07:14:59 AM »   

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Isn't that what the gateway is supposed to address ??

If you use the gateway .......

On each side there is an IGT, BALLY, WMS etc.....

If you connect up the WMS on one side are you able to connect up the other with IGT ? and then use IGT signling....

I am still looking for a gateway manual     

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« Reply #662 on: October 15, 2006, 07:39:35 AM »   

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What ozzy said is what I was hoping that just A newer version chip might help and to put A twist in it the gateway to my understanding is just converting signals between A 485-232  so with no luck on finding the mikohn gateway I'm trying A 3rd party 485-232 converter

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« Reply #663 on: October 15, 2006, 07:43:58 AM »   

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I thought the MS seting was in the PSP software, not the CHAMII+ firmware.  I have version 2.07 of the CHAMII+ firmware.

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« Reply #665 on: October 15, 2006, 07:59:35 AM »   

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Not to sure if it is just in the psp or the chip?? April has me on file with the mikohn part # to keep A look out but I have yet to see A WMS as A standalone so my guess is thay have them all hooked up to A con 2 and then you don't need A gateway and A con 2 is on A dream list

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« Reply #666 on: October 15, 2006, 08:03:57 AM »   

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 Jay, for A WMS thay have you using A 4 wire hook up on different pins at the J-7 header(pins 7,8,9,10) as compared to IGT (pins3,11,13)

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« Reply #667 on: October 15, 2006, 10:00:59 AM »   

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But if you were to plug into the gateway using IGT - then on the far side using WMS the WMS would wire up as WMS and IGT would wire up as IGT.

Still not sure if this would work.....but it would be worth a shot.

Anyone have a gateway manual ??

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« Reply #668 on: October 15, 2006, 10:27:40 AM »   

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Quote from: railroad94 on October 15, 2006, 07:39:35 AM
What ozzy said is what I was hoping that just A newer version chip might help and to put A twist in it the gateway to my understanding is just converting signals between A 485-232  so with no luck on finding the mikohn gateway I'm trying A 3rd party 485-232 converter

A gateway does more than just electrical interfacing.  It actuall converts the serial language as well as the electrical interface.  There are at least two versions that we have seen.  One with just the large DIP chips and another with an EPROM socket for each chip.  The gateway, as I recall from the dip switch settings, has a very limited interfacing vocabulary.

The MS setting "IS" the machine interface language (how it communicates serially).  So you would still need a gateway if you plan to change languages. (assuming a gateway even supports the WMS platform - I have no idea on that subject).

Your 3rd party inteface is probably no more than an electrical conversion from RS485 standard to RS232 (its a voltage thing).

 

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« Reply #669 on: October 15, 2006, 10:45:05 AM »   

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Might be a little confused here guys.................................what would the 4 wire hook up consist off     

You require fo any Prog cofig. the following;

1. coin in

2. jackpot

3. serial return  ( expose amount to machine or for data collection )

4................... ...................... .............................. .................................



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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #670 on: October 15, 2006, 10:50:31 AM »   

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Could be that the prog return and the coin in may not share a common gnd on the WMS....

Or it could be that wms doesn't simply do a close like IGT ...

,,,but not having this platform would not know....

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« Reply #671 on: October 15, 2006, 01:09:22 PM »   

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All of this being an experiment with not having A crucial mikohn part but what is A person to do when none is available but try and try again
Thay show the 3-wire game hook up as transmit,receive,ground and the cham hook up as transmit and receive positive and negative so like said if the electrical signals are correct the language might be wrong which it seems to be looking for the mystery MS25

HEY JAY   DO YOU HAVE A GATEWAY MANUAL I COULD USE       JUST KIDDING

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #672 on: October 15, 2006, 05:57:20 PM »   

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The "gateway" for a WMS appears to be nothing more than an RS-232 to RS-485 converter as per the schematics.  The issue with railroad94 might be that he needs a newer version of the chamII eprom.  I believe he has the version that doesn't not have the extra flash chip, so I don't know if the newer firmware can be used on those boards.   

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« Reply #673 on: October 16, 2006, 03:40:08 AM »   

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I have 2 different units one w/the flash chip and one without and I was using the one with the flash but the version for the board is still 1.41 (an oldie but maybe not a goodie)

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« Reply #674 on: October 17, 2006, 05:36:04 PM »   

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Have read with interest the connection question to a WMS game, are we talking about the 550 or BB

It was my understanding that the 550 could not be hooked to a Mikohn System, something in the back of my mind from a while ago, so I contacted a couple of friends of mine, both have never heard of a 550 being hooked up and this is the repsonse I got from someone connected with Mikohn

"Hey Dude,
I checked our harnesses for use with Gaming Support controllers but I don't have anything related to WMS, new or old, sorry!"

So I would be very interested to know and to learn something new

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« Reply #675 on: October 17, 2006, 05:56:35 PM »   

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Have ran many a WMS reel and Video (550) machine link/ and stand alone setup using both Cham II and super controller in the past, see attachment on ChamII info for WMS, including BB info; I think your contact needs to do his homework mate    . First setup I installed  with WMS/Mikohn was back in 1996, 12 slant top reel machines using con II config, ran perfectly mate    .


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« Reply #676 on: October 17, 2006, 06:02:43 PM »   

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Ozzy, I think he is using a CHAMII+ so there is no CON2 to communicate with the machine.  The CHAMII+ manual is silent with regards to connecting it to a Williams machine.

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« Reply #677 on: October 17, 2006, 06:08:20 PM »   

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Ah well.....I was responding to the statement (well post) that  "550 could not be hooked to a Mikohn System" ChamII+ info was attached. ChamII+ manual page 37/38.

Lets see response, as mentioned over the years I have always used MKN on WMS machines.


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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #678 on: October 17, 2006, 06:17:32 PM »   

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Quote from: idesign on October 17, 2006, 06:02:43 PM
Ozzy, I think he is using a CHAMII+ so there is no CON2 to communicate with the machine.  The CHAMII+ manual is silent with regards to connecting it to a Williams machine.

In the last pages where the harness descriptions are, there's mention of the necessary connnections to a wms 550 or a blue bird cabinet.  They require the RS232-RS485 board in between the chamII+ controller and the backplane.

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« Reply #679 on: October 17, 2006, 06:24:56 PM »   

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Sorry forgot to even mention that one, usually when purchasing from Mikohn for a specific install they advise ans supply all parts required, well they did when they were in business.




See attachment as to wht Rick is referring to for the 550/BB setup ChamII+


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« Reply #680 on: October 17, 2006, 06:29:27 PM »   

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My mistake.  I'm impressed.....those attachments are from an August 2006 manual, mine is from an August 2005 manaul but they appear to be the same.  The PSP manual I have doesn't list any setting for the Williams machines.

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #684 on: November 25, 2006, 11:50:44 PM »   

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Hi guys,

Its been a while but I'm back looking at this now my hair has finally grown back after pulling it all out 

I've got a Chamii+, I've built a lead with pins 1 and 5 connected and I'm using windoze 98 and PSP selecting OLD, but I can't get the PC and the Chamii to talk to each other.

Ignoring the PC for the moment, the last time I posted I was getting the following on the display:

C2 in green
C10 in red
C14 in red

These all appear after what I shall describe as a boot up sequence. However, I've noticed at the start of the boot up sequence the following:

When power first on, the whole display shows Green and then Red
Then Drive C:
Then ROM TEST. . . .
Then something flashes up so quickly in green that I can't read it, but the end of the line appears to say OK
BUT.. then it shows in red C17.
C17 stays lit for about 3 seconds and then the rest of the boot up sequence continues until it gets to the C2, C10 and C14 cycle which I beleive can be sorted out with PSP.

My question after all this rambling is: The C17 message, is this the reason I can't get the PC to talk to the Chamii? I don't want to waste another three hours trying to get the PC to talk to the Chamii if its not going to work because of this.

On page one of this very useful thread, Ozzy has listed a bunch of errors and in the list it says this:

C17   RAM signature error

Any help greatly appreciated.

Paul

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #685 on: November 26, 2006, 06:04:45 AM »   

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When you say you can't talk to the CHAMII+ are you just trying to set up the progressive or trying to do messages and if it's messages your board needs the chip in the U-5 slot. some of the old boards don't have it.

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« Reply #686 on: November 26, 2006, 06:24:15 AM »   

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Hi Railroad,

I'm just trying to set up the progressive for the first time. Nothing fancy for messages etc.. I don't have the chip in the U5 slot 

Paul