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« on: October 24, 2009, 09:11:48 PM »
Greetings, all.

A friend of mine bought a bunch of machines that had a Mikohn "MoneyTime" linked progressive when they were in the casinos (discussed previously, here).  Each machine had a Supreme inside of it, with a 12-cell by 2-cell display.  Here is the whole setup that we pulled from one of the machines:


(Click on the photo for a bigger image)

From my limited Mikohn knowledge, the "extra" square board pictured between the main Supreme board and the display isn't needed, right?  (I'm assuming it had something to do with the MoneyTime link.)

Also, there is no U3 chip on either board (the square board or the main board).  Am I correct that the 40-pin chip that goes into U3 on the main board contains the main software for the controller?  Right now when plugged in, we get a couple of LEDs on the main board, and the display board has one red LED on the back that seems to indicate it's getting power.  Nothing shows up on the display, which I'm hoping is because we're missing U3 chip.

Does anyone know what kind/size chip that U3 is, and can confirm that I really do need that to do anything with this?

Also, once I have that chip, how do I communicate with the controller to program anything in them?  (We'd like to program text and/or graphics -- no need for progressive functions, though.)

Thanks in advance!
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« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2009, 09:16:24 PM »
You would use the MIKOHN downloader software..... and a PC with a serial cable to feed the supreme controller.
This will get you text and graphics but no progressive function. For that you would need the CON2.
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« Reply #2 on: October 25, 2009, 01:55:25 AM »
Jay, what is needed in U3?
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« Reply #3 on: October 25, 2009, 02:57:20 AM »
That's the actual software that drives the display.

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Here's a picture for clarity:

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« Reply #4 on: October 25, 2009, 03:00:59 AM »
Mikohn Logic Board;

Problem; Display Blackout.
Solution; Repl. U8

Problem; Blackout.
Solution; Repl. U9 (HA1835).

Problem; Display zizzing & dripping (flipping from C3 to lines or solid lights)
Solution; Repl. U3 (RAM).

40-pin Random Access Memory chip?

ADD>>> oh, okay...a CSM/V2.10 U3 cs 1883 chip...readily available?
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« Reply #5 on: October 25, 2009, 03:15:54 AM »
It will not function without the software. I imagine the functionality would be different if the chip was there and defective...

Here's a screenshot of the hardware diagram from the manual showing U3 as an EPROM, and the RAM as U5 and U6:

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« Reply #6 on: October 25, 2009, 03:20:06 AM »
Looks like a AM27C4006 AM27C4096    40-pin device.

ADMIN NOTE: Changed Part Number Above. CH CaptainHappy
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« Reply #7 on: October 25, 2009, 04:34:06 AM »
Quote from: stayouttadabunker on October 25, 2009, 03:20:06 AM
Looks like a AM27C4006 AM27C4096 40-pin device.

Bunker, Zooming Sherlock Smiley did not work for you this time!  bust gut laughing  In your defense, it was hard to zoom clearly as I wanted to check if my numbers I wrote down were wrong after seeing your post!

I wrote this information down from my supreme earlier and forgot to post it...

CSM/V2.10
(c)96 Mikohn
U3 cs 1883

The device is actually a M27C4096-120DC (Same as M27C4002 This is the Base Chip used by IGT for S2000 SB... and GameKing I... or M... Base Chips.) It is a 16 BIT 40 Pin Eprom, and most programmers require an adapter to read and program them.

I am sure that these Mikohn CHIPS are readily available if you need to find them.  yes yes yes

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« Reply #8 on: October 25, 2009, 05:03:43 AM »
Adapter? It's a DIP package, so should be supported by most burners. I guess if you have less than 40 pins on the original socket, an adapter may be necessary.

It is indeed a 27C4096/4002. Sorry the original pic was not big enough to read the P/N, I didn't check. After I posted, I couldn't read it either!  Duh! Cry Laughing

I made it a little bigger for us old pharts. rotflmao
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« Reply #9 on: October 25, 2009, 05:27:24 AM »
Quote from: brichter on October 25, 2009, 05:03:43 AM
Adapter? It's a DIP package, so should be supported by most burners. I guess if you have less than 40 pins on the original socket, an adapter may be necessary.

It is indeed a 27C4096/4002. Sorry the original pic was not big enough to read the P/N, I didn't check. After I posted, I couldn't read it either!  Duh! Cry Laughing

I made it a little bigger for us old pharts. rotflmao

Bill,

The reason that I mention adapter is that it depends on your programmer. The issue is not the 40 pin issue, but more that these eproms are 16BIT vs the normal 8BIT eproms. Most of the hobbyist programmers do not burn the 16BITt chips without a adapter like a daughter card. If you have a pricier programmer then it probably works out of the gate! I use the GQ4X which is decent, but I have to use an adapter for these style chips.

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« Reply #10 on: October 25, 2009, 05:34:44 AM »
Ahh, ok, that makes sense. Mine does those natively, but it cost $$, even though it was an open box special from (French) Fries.
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« Reply #11 on: October 25, 2009, 08:56:52 AM »
K+ to all and thanks for the info -- this puts us on the right track.   applause
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« Reply #12 on: October 25, 2009, 12:29:13 PM »
will it work on a chipmax without the adapter ??? mine will take the 40 pin chip
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« Reply #13 on: October 25, 2009, 01:00:32 PM »
Quote from: kenokarz on October 25, 2009, 12:29:13 PM
will it work on a chipmax without the adapter ??? mine will take the 40 pin chip

If your Chipmax takes 40-pins,  it should!

but these chips are 41-pins...



(just kidding ya keno... Tongue Out)

hey ch, thank you for the chip correction!
(...man, I think I need glasses now.)
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« Reply #14 on: October 25, 2009, 04:19:37 PM »
Quote from: kenokarz on October 25, 2009, 12:29:13 PM
will it work on a chipmax without the adapter ??? mine will take the 40 pin chip

The below is from Chipmax software v3.1k. Looks like you're good to go:

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« Reply #15 on: October 25, 2009, 06:24:40 PM »
Quote from: brichter on October 25, 2009, 04:19:37 PM
Quote from: kenokarz on October 25, 2009, 12:29:13 PM
will it work on a chipmax without the adapter ??? mine will take the 40 pin chip

The below is from Chipmax software v3.1k. Looks like you're good to go:

Bill,

Now that picture was really big!  Cry Laughing Cry Laughing Cry Laughing

Kenokarz,

You should be fine as that is the same chip for S2000, GK, IG+ Key and Base chips that you probably backup.

CH CaptainHappy
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« Reply #16 on: October 25, 2009, 06:27:29 PM »
Kevin,

I am curious about what this is: Sherlock Smiley Sherlock Smiley Sherlock Smiley

"From my limited Mikohn knowledge, the "extra" square board pictured between the main Supreme board and the display isn't needed, right?  (I'm assuming it had something to do with the MoneyTime link.)"

Can you post a good picture if it and the part number label....

CH CaptainHappy
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« Reply #17 on: October 25, 2009, 07:51:12 PM »
yes back-up only, Duh! this way if insert one backwards i can remake the chip  muted
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« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2009, 10:02:47 PM »
Quote from: CaptainHappy on October 25, 2009, 06:27:29 PM
Kevin,

I am curious about what this is: Sherlock Smiley Sherlock Smiley Sherlock Smiley

"From my limited Mikohn knowledge, the "extra" square board pictured between the main Supreme board and the display isn't needed, right?  (I'm assuming it had something to do with the MoneyTime link.)"

Can you post a good picture if it and the part number label....

CH CaptainHappy

Me too!

Need to see where all the wiring connects to the supreme and the machine.

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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2009, 01:34:16 AM »
Quote from: CaptainHappy on October 25, 2009, 06:27:29 PM
Can you post a good picture if it and the part number label....

Will do -- it'll be late Monday night before I have access to the pictures again (on a different computer), but I'll post as soon as I can.
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« Reply #20 on: October 26, 2009, 01:53:05 AM »
Well, For those of you that needed to see this in a larger than life-like form....
uh,...here it is again>>>

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« Reply #21 on: October 26, 2009, 01:54:11 AM »
 rotflmao That didn't work... Tongue Out
Just click on it to bring it out larger...
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« Reply #22 on: October 26, 2009, 03:29:06 AM »
So, the supreme doesn't connect to the slot machine, it connects to a display (several different sizes are available) and a controller if you want to use it as a progressive display. The controller will hook up to the slot, and the hookup varies depending on the machine and the controller.

In standalone mode, it can provide text and graphics.

Here's what it looks like when interfaced with a CON2I and hooked up to a 1x3 display (note: the CON2I is providing all text and progressive info. Depending on the size of the display you attach to it, you can do graphics and animations also):

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/DDnJKUOWTZI&rel=0" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/DDnJKUOWTZI&rel=0</a>

I need to get off my dead butt and post the videos of my 2x3 display. arrow
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« Reply #23 on: October 26, 2009, 04:12:15 PM »
Can anyone confirm for me that I would use the same serial cable I use for connecting my ChamII+ to PSP (a cable with pins 2, 3, and 5 straight through, with 1 and 5 jumpered on the Mikohn end) with this Supreme?
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« Reply #24 on: October 26, 2009, 04:18:48 PM »
Quote from: brichter on October 26, 2009, 03:29:06 AM
So, the supreme doesn't connect to the slot machine, it connects to a display (several different sizes are available) and a controller if you want to use it as a progressive display.

In standalone mode, it can provide text and graphics.

...and that's all we're hoping to do with the thing -- no progressive functions (yet) (we don't have a controller, anyway).  If the one in your video is a 1x3, is the one I posted on the first post of this thread a 1x1?  Also, I've seen some other pictures of the supreme boards and they have stickers on them indicating 1x2 or 1x3 -- is that a function of the board or the software on it?
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