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« Reply #332 on: April 21, 2006, 04:51:07 PM »   

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Looks like you have the whole 9 yards also...............not a standalone unit like I have. Be sure to use a hefty 12VDC power supply. My board soaks up 2.5 amps!

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« Reply #334 on: April 21, 2006, 05:16:02 PM »   

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Hey Captain.......................Looks like were going to be a set of triplets! CON2 City! Wow! 
Looks like Idesign hit the Jackpot............and for the Captain...........MERRY CHRISTMAS!

And....................don't be jealous Cap................the ONLY difference between our boards and the full blown model is the counting of coins in from multiple machines and the reporting of such. The output is exactly the same............there are no different messages for each machine unless you link multiple con2's........and that can only be done with an optical set up...........which is not available on the I series. I have hooked as many as 4 machines together and ran from each machine hitting the button and out of 2 min of doing so the jackpot total (I have it set at .25.......so it is easy to figure) it was off only .25 cents.................and I had to hit 2 machines at exactly the same time 12 times to do that................so I'M wondering if it is worth the conversion back to the standard CON2I. After all......I'M not a Casino owner worried that I will miss one coin in every now and then............what I like is how BAD   this looks when it is up and running!!!
OK...............Now I need an address from our fellow triplet (Idesign) so I can send you a copy of my CD that has the PSP's and graphic files and the Atlantic city graphic files, which should be in Mondays mail.
Congrats!          Tim

 

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« Reply #336 on: April 21, 2006, 05:27:10 PM »   

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And to answer Captain's question........that is an un-altered CON2I. My Fry's has the connector.....but do you really want to hook up 24 +machines? If I do mine .....I was going to leave the 10 pin in place and add a 16 pin next to it, giving it an 18 machine link set up. And done right, you actually loose the spaghetti.
 

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« Reply #339 on: April 21, 2006, 05:53:37 PM »   

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Quote from: idesign on April 21, 2006, 05:33:52 PM
What's the firmware version on your chip?  This one is 4.01.

Looks Like we are identical triplets...... 4.01 also!

Tim,

It looks like I have to do the homework now...       I thought that this unit would only hook up a machine or two since it was standalone??? How many machines can be hooked up as it is? What is the larger connector for then??? (Can you tell it was late and long ago when I RTFM. Read The F       Manual!)   

I also know that the standalone referred to linking multiple CON2I's as well. That I do remember. They also had a CON2IF as well! That was everything plus the fibre connections. I thin that I heard rumor that we can just add the fibre headers to our boards, but this is not confirmed!

If you are in Fry's already.... NOTE IF YOU ARE THERE ALREADY, No SPECIAL TRIP!!! (I will feel guilty if it takes you $200 to get out the door.) Can you grab on of the connectors from me and I will by it from you. Sometimes they have stuff, amd then you never see it again! Just like at Costo.


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« Reply #338 on: April 21, 2006, 05:41:56 PM »   

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4.01...................just like yours!  Tim
 
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« Reply #337 on: April 21, 2006, 05:33:52 PM »   

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What's the firmware version on your chip?  This one is 4.01.
 
 

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« Reply #340 on: April 21, 2006, 06:37:03 PM »   

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The way I run the multiple machines with the standalone is to run a 3 wire set up to each machine using the same connector as the CHAMII+ units to the IGT motherboard. They run (I believe this is called parallel) a common serial out......that goes to the #1 pin on the right hand CON2 socket, a common... common line   to the left hand connector #1, and a common machine return line (#9 on the left hand socket) This is simply a normally open relay on the CON2. Closing #1 and #9 (LH socket) on ours indicates a coin in. On I design's unit pins 9 through...I think it is 34...all do the same thing...close the relay with the common #1. It is so sensitive that your skin will make the connection simply by touching it. The RH socket serial return line tells the CON2 there was a Jackpot signal. The IGT units use a relatively slow coin in relay...so the same signal can be used by the mechanical coin in counters.  Ever notice when you cash out the coin counters take a wile to catch up? Because of this slow closing of the relays and the CON2's hyper speed counting of such........the parallel set up is fairly accurate from what I have noticed. One thing that I want to try this weekend is to make sure that the parallel set up does not back feed to the CHAMII+ units........I have been pulling there connectors to put these in place. There might be a problem with all the CHAMII+ units being linked this way...........and that will mean that Joey's conversion will be a must. Or maybe I could use some of those one way resistor looking things (forget what there called) to keep the signal flowing only out...not in.   Later   Tim

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« Reply #344 on: April 21, 2006, 07:54:40 PM »   

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Quote from: idesign on April 21, 2006, 06:54:37 PM
I think you are referring to a diode Tim.
Thanks! Thats it........a rectifier diode! I just tried it using a 1N4001 (Radio Shack 276-1653). Works perfectly on the machine line in.................and that effectively isolates the coin in signals from each other and the CHAMII+ units. Appears to be minimal loss as I'M getting exactly the same readings on my digital ohm meter as before I installed it. So.......Cap...it looks like I am primed for a full stage test of all 6 machines (well....4.....I do not have Joey's installed yet). I was going to try and give the Captain a call tonight but I think I will try tomorrow afternoon as the batteries are fully depleted and I'M falling asleep as we speak............Goodnight!   Tim 

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« Reply #345 on: April 21, 2006, 08:45:15 PM »   

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Quote from: idesign on April 21, 2006, 07:04:11 PM
......and for those who sill need want a CON2...........check this out........

http://cgi.ebay.com/MIKOHN-CON2-I-PROGRESSIVE-SUPER-CONTROLLER-V4-01_W0QQitemZ6273862602QQcategoryZ13731QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Jay was not kidding....................OUCH! Now anybody thinking of buying this remember that this is an IGT dedicated unit............will not work with Bally, Sigma etc. It reads coin in signals (simple N/O N/C) and serial return. It will not read multiple displays...only the coin in and out values. However it will send information to multiple displays........but all the SAME THING...at the same time for all the independent jackpot groups JP0 through JP8. You can have the displays set with multiple address's and have there own separate standalone settings but when you send the CON2 a signal with the DOS PSP...........everything linked gets the same info for each jackpot group and it will send only 1 set of JACK.DO files. to the JPOT.DO.
The displays (CHAMII+, Supreme, Mark1 etc) can be loaded with there own separate jackpot (Supreme's will hold only data in RAM....clears when you power down...the CON2 holds the info) info but when the CON2 is connected the CON2 takes over. The time is set and controlled by the CON2 also..........so 2 min (for the time out message) is not 2 min off each machine..........its when the CON2 reads NO info from ANY machine for 2 min.  Later....   Tim

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« Reply #346 on: April 22, 2006, 02:05:11 AM »   

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Ok,

So it is not much progress, but the display works at least. I was also able to use DOS PSP to send test patterns to the display, so I know it is talking. I again fought with Windows Download 2.0 and got it going... I am lost here, but I was able to move a file back and forth so I know I am communicating here. I made marktest.pdf as a 1x2, and I have no idea what it does or to do with it. Main goal was to connect the Supreme and test the COMM and Big Bertha 1x2 Grapics panel. Nothing fancy like Tim yet, but I was supposed to be working and not playing tonite! I did not even bother with the CON2I or anything else yet... Like Tim says my batteries are burnt out... A couple pictures for your enjoyment, OK not for you guys , more for me to feel like I accomplished something! 

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« Reply #347 on: April 22, 2006, 05:47:04 AM »   

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OK..up early....................Lets get started..............do not touch the CON2 yet.....and NO downloader yet!!!......the supreme must be configured first or you will get conflicting info and an error message. 1st....You need to hook up the Supreme to the dual power supply's, 5V and 12V.........it's well marked.
Plug in a 5V source (does not have to be your big one that came with the supreme yet)..............the smaller units will work for 60 + min of testing before getting hot if you only take one voltage from them at a time. I have been using one of the P/S that Joey has sent me with the CHAMII+ units. Take only 5V from it (not the 12!) and it can handle it! One for the board, and then one to the supreme using 12 and 5V. The CON2 power we will discuss later. Plug in the display to the port closest to to the set buttons.
2. Power up the meter and supreme and make note of the panels wide and panels long settings...IMPORTANT...because no matter what size meter you use your supreme will make all your information fit these dim. and only a Mikohn rep with a windows hyper program can change this. Then slide the test switch over.............this works exactly like the CHAMII units except there are a lot more options. Scroll through the DISPLAY, ADDRESS and System.
System: Do a RUN Birth by setting it on and then slide the switch over..............this will clear the previous owners settings and free up some memory space.
After start up go back to system. Scroll to RUN TEST=DISPLAY...slide switch over and make note of any LED's that do not seem to work like they should. I had to pull all 3 boards and clean (I used elect contact cleaner for TV sets) the connectors were the boards connect to the LED boards to make my unit work good. Also any of the MOSFET transistors sticking out of the back..........if they touch each other they will mess up your display. BE SURE to use static prevention before you do this.
Then scroll back to RUN TEST =OFF after noting what your DOWN BAUD= is. If it is not at 9600 scroll to this and set it.
Go to Address..................Note the GRADR.............or better yet for now just set 255
IDADR set to 64
Go to DISPLAY....set the JP Group to =ALL.........JP type +NORMAL..........Panel= GRAPHICS....Not Overhead!
Again note the panels wide and tall
MFILE to JPOT.DO...............and you will get an error message later on saying that there is nothing in MESS.DO
OD speed= 10 (default)
SAVE TO.................for now lets use FLASH DRIVE
Then slide the switch back.   What do you see?

OK.....on to the DOWNLOADER I will walk you through this on the phone later on also
1st.............did you put it were it wanted to go...C:/
If not re-load it and let it go there...............will save you hours of adding file extensions!
Hook up the computer and then start the downloader......did it read the supreme? It should say SUPREME in red on the RH side. If it says (in green) Mark I or AGL UN plug the computer port, close downloader and start again until it says supreme.
Go to INTERUPT and hit the ERASE FLASH and let the board clean itself. It will default to a 1X1 with a Mikohn message.
Did this work?......................don't worry...it's going to use only half of your display
Back to the downloader  Pull up the PDF file maker. Leave it at Graphics and set the panels to WHAT YOUR SUPREME is set to!
Hit Next.......Leave it at one window for now until you learn more ......Hit Next ....Using the RIGHT mouse button drag down and to the right to fill the space and get an OK in the coordinates ....Hit SET WINDOW and then NEXT
Set your JP group.....lets use JPOT for now and set your font. 16's only! I would scroll up to DECO16 (the top one) and leave the MFILE at 4 for now ...Hit NEXT....Hit Save as........pick a name you will remember... like 777..Hit Next....Hit Commit to disc...and then exit.
Open the BACKGROUND.BAT maker...In the window next to PRGSV type in your file name with no extensions...just 777.  Hit Accept.  Hit SAVE and then exit.
Back to the downloader....hit CLEAR then find the 777 file you just wrote and single click on it. Scroll down or up to the backgrnd.bat and single click on it also. This file will always be overwritten with the utilities!  Hit Send.........      ..........1st....an error message saying NOTHING IN MESS.DO....then...You should have a centered 0.00 in dazzle in the deco font!
Try this and then when you feel that you have it down pat I will start you on the COOLer stuff!   Later   Tim
 
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« Reply #348 on: April 22, 2006, 06:32:25 AM »   

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Hey..............now that I have my big meter working.......I can not think of anything cool to put in the 2 min time out message. What do the casino's use? Now I have it doing a "PLAY" then "NOW"! then a scrolling "Every coin in adds to the jackpot total"... ..................there's got to be something better to say...........but the brain keeps comming up with the same old stuff.....any Ideas?   Thanks!   Tim

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« Reply #350 on: April 22, 2006, 09:03:13 AM »   

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I guess we will get to see how deep Landrockets pockets really are. OK....April.......Save one for Idesign...please!
Well.....just got off the phone with the Cap...........he is up and running.............now all he needs is a few graphic files and he will be on .
Also................sometime this weekend I will try my new found info on the CHAMII+ units. I have an idea that just might unlock the message files now that I know how to run and write the programs with the supreme. The downloader thinks the CHAMII is a supreme...................lets see how far I can take it. I just might be able to get the fireworks to display (what you can see with a 15" display) on the CHAMII units. Keep your fingers crossed.  Off to Radio Shack.................Tim

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« Reply #353 on: April 23, 2006, 05:59:57 AM »   

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Well......................Progress report  ...CHAMII....Windows Downloader........    Good news and bad news.........The CHAMII will load and hold both the text and backgroung PDF files...............but the font styles that the downloader uses do not match the ones on the CHAMII that are in the Read Only Memory (ROM). Now if I can figure out a way to copy the smaller font styles from the supreme, or add the CHAMII font styles to the downloader database, I can send them over to the CHAMII to live on the drive and that will enable almost anything that will fit in the memory to run. The next problem is that the supreme thinks backwards...thats why when you hook up a CHAMII to a 1X3 you see everything backwards and upside down.
The only good news is that the downloader will write TEXT messages that can be intermixed with the jackpot.................kind of like the JACK files.....that you can set times to run, font and color etc.......the CHAMII user manual talks about this a little. I will give a detailed post on how to do this when I get the bugs out of the system. So far I have one of my CHAMII+ units doing what a JACK file should look like...Jack.do, 1st message, jack.do, 2nd message etc. Still getting error messages within because I'M still figuring out the language that it uses..........storyboard....an old IBM DOS program that can be written with the downloader.....and from what I have heard, winning the top award on your slot machine is easier than finding someone that still has the IBM storyboard program on a floppy. Now I know what to look for at Garage Sales!
Also the clear flash memory works great....................if I had known this I would not have had to send the Captain my chip.

OH Well.............................Now I have something to work on when I get the 1 X 3 finished!        Tim 
 

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« Reply #355 on: April 23, 2006, 09:00:31 AM »   

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Quote from: Cactusjack on April 23, 2006, 08:51:33 AM
Hopefully, Idesign can chime in here..

A long while back, he was working with a CHAMII+ and a single 1 X whatever display panel.  The CHAMII+ was sending the data to it in reverse.  The supplier in Vegas provided some in depth programming to change what the controller was interfacing to.  While we were able to get to the "command" mode using Hyper terminal and a serial cable, the CHAMII+ did not respond to the command we were sending it that he had told us to use to reverse the data.  At the time, I figured what he had sent us was for a Supreme, not a CHAMII+ since the Supreme manual talked about interfacing to signs.

I don't have access to the page of instructions, hopefully, Idesign can dig it up for you and you can try that.

CJ
Thanks..............that sounds exactly what is needed! Hopefully someone has a copy!   Tim

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« Reply #356 on: April 23, 2006, 09:05:44 AM »   

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OK, here are the instructions CJ was taking about.  Intsructions 11 thru 20 aren't needed so they aren't included.  To flip the text use the following commands.

panel 0 1 1 

or

panel 1 1 1
 

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« Reply #357 on: April 23, 2006, 09:08:34 AM »   

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« Reply #358 on: April 23, 2006, 09:37:37 AM »   

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Thanks!      OK......whats a modem cable and were can I get one?
Thanks!   Tim
And..........note to the Captain..........I was wrong about the power supply on the supreme. It will run on 12 OR 5Vdc. Does not have to use both.........the reason I thought it had to was I was hooking up both and pulling one after it self configured. Start it with 5V and it runs fine!
And I partitally have the linking of the machines finished...I am using flat telephone cable (24GA) that I am cutting to size and installing the modular ends and using a surface mount jack on each machine....a single on the end and a double on each machine in between. The ends must be put on like your sending data, with the red on the left hand side on BOTH ENDS.  The regular already made up phone line uses opposites on each end....will not work. I am using a choke on each segment also. In the surface mount box there are 4 terminals, R, G, Y, B. I am using a 1N001 1 amp diode on each output from the machine that isolates the CHAMII+ units from receiving the coin in signal from the other 5 machines. Just wrap it around one terminal (The machine out side) and place the send to CON2 signal out on the other side. I  Have 4 hooked up so far and there working great...............if they are missing any coin in signals....I really can not tell...........but it seems that the CON2 is not missing a beat. 

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« Reply #359 on: April 23, 2006, 10:47:02 AM »   

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Tim, the modem cable is the serial cable you are using, but make sure you DO NOT have pins 1 and 5 connected.

Are you able to communicate with the Supreme directly with your serial cable???

If the standard serial cable doesn't work go to Frys and get a null-modem adapter and try that. 

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« Reply #360 on: April 24, 2006, 03:34:18 PM »   

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Quote from: idesign on April 23, 2006, 10:47:02 AM
Tim, the modem cable is the serial cable you are using, but make sure you DO NOT have pins 1 and 5 connected.

Are you able to communicate with the Supreme directly with your serial cable???

If the standard serial cable doesn't work go to Frys and get a null-modem adapter and try that.
Thanks!
It will not communicate without 1 and 5 pin connected on the serial line. I can talk to the CON2 and the supreme with the present line but both the supreme and CON2 use the 1 to 5 pin grounding as an indication of how you are communicating. When the supreme is connected with the CON2 (No C1 message) and I plug in the serial cable, the supreme cuts off all communication with the CON2.....you get a "C1" and it will read your programing. As soon as you pull the cable it starts reading CON2. I discovered that if you simply place a wire in the port from 1 to 5 it again shuts down communication with the CON2. On the CON2 if there is no 1 to 5 connection, it thinks you are using the optical cables.................and the manual states this also.
Also.............for those of you that are thinking about playing with a supreme in the near future..............do not forget to plug the optical ports. I have a neon sign in the room and it reeked havoc every time I had it on until I placed a rubber plug inside the port. I'M going to try the hyper program on a CHAMII+ this weekend now that I know how to use the downloader to re flash the memory if I mess something up.  Thanks!   Tim

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« Reply #361 on: April 24, 2006, 03:40:52 PM »   

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Tim, the instructions for using HyperTerminal say do not use a cable with pins 1 & 5 connected.  I would try that first. 

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« Reply #362 on: April 24, 2006, 03:45:32 PM »   

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Howdy!  I have the 1 X 3 up and I wanted to post a few pictures of the simple cabinet. It is a simple box with open ends......one side with a fan, and the other side open. I am going to make custom side grills as soon as I get the metal fabric....the pictures show the ends without the grills. I have not decided if I am going to stain this or cover it with gloss black formica..... and the screws in the face are temporary until I get by the depot to get some black pan head screws....that will look a sight better than these sheet rock screws. The CON 2 and Supreme are mounted to the wall behind the Volcano game for easy access and I'M going to make a shallow open top and bottom cabinet that will have the same black metal grill fabric top and bottom as the sign will have when I finish it.
Again.........1 picture per post due to   speed.     Tim

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« Reply #364 on: April 24, 2006, 03:50:08 PM »   

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« Reply #365 on: April 24, 2006, 03:54:04 PM »   

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Straight on view.........I have a piece of 1/8" Corian (left over from when I used to make Nascar trophies) on the right side until I find someone who has ribbon cable longer than 36".

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« Reply #365 on: April 24, 2006, 03:54:04 PM »   

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Straight on view.........I have a piece of 1/8" Corian (left over from when I used to make Nascar trophies) on the right side until I find someone who has ribbon cable longer than 36".

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« Reply #371 on: April 25, 2006, 03:51:31 AM »   

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Quote from: idesign on April 25, 2006, 03:35:34 AM
Quote from: cessnac182golf on April 24, 2006, 09:56:37 PM
Quote from: idesign on April 24, 2006, 04:26:16 PM
Tim, did you ever build a top box for a round top?
Thats the next project......I'M going to make several............one already has your name on it.
Tim

Gee, thanks, I was asking cause I was just curious as to what it looked like.

Hey there idesign... What are you doing up? I just finished some work, and am too awake to go to bed yet!

Tim is such a woodworking stud! His MODESTY is unbelievable.... The box for the 1x3 sign looked great... Just a couple days ago I had asked if I could hire him to make a box for my 1x2, especially since it does not have a nice black frame and plexy like his does... He had not done one for his yet as far as I knew, and then like magic he whipped this one out in a heartbeat! It would take me a week to do something not near as good! He talks about how he is going to finish it, and I look at it and say wow that looks good as is! I can't wait to see what the Roundtop progressive holder looks like also, it is a really good idea.

Tim, an idea that I had for the extra stuff on the 1X2,3,etc box... What about a drop down hingded door in the bottom that the supreme and PS mount to. You could then secure it with a cheapy cabinet lock on each side??? Besides it would look official and casino like to have a keyed access panel! If you need to program, you can just open the hatch and plug in.

OK now I am getting sleepy.. Good Night!

[Thor777]

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   Re: Mikohn Progressive Controllers Displays and other info
« Reply #372 on: April 25, 2006, 05:39:42 AM »   

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Morning..............30 seconds and my babysitting job (General Manager) starts...............When my employees punch in there brains punch out!    Jay and Captain.................All I need is a general sketch and dim. and I can make just about anything........I have a woodshop at my home that Norm Abram would be proud to work in ......so things go fast. The 1 X 3 box took a whopping total of 25 min and about 5 min in design work.
The round top display........ I am open to any ideas......I was planning an apx 4" X4" wide base that matches the curve of the top...then keep it (the mounting base) somewere around 1" high.............here is the first question...........is 1" high enough? The display on my Harley topper is can not be seen when you sit in front of the machine....but it is several inches back from the front and ends up being apx 1/2" above the max top of the 16". I think the farther forward we put it....the better it will be seen. Then I was planning apx 1/2" bigger than the  top and sides of the 15" display...........a rectangle to house the meter............and 4" deep to match the base allowing room for wires and candle and or topper mounting. I have not figured out how I am going to allow access to the meter yet.............maybe top down like my angle units work or a screwed access door from the back....which would look better but be a little harder to access the display and wiring. Maybe a face plate slightly larger than the box........and it would hide the joint........with the screws in back.............that way you could mount and wire everything and then place the face plate on last.
I'M open to any ideas.   Thanks!  ...off to babysit     Tim