Help finding the right chip

[StatFreak]

Any chance you can get your hands on the Cashcode software manual or otherwise figure out which protocol the validator is currently using?
Personally, I'm hoping it's pulses.

[Mirage_Chaser]

Nope still no go. But now I noticed that regardless of the status of the machine e.g. the door is open the acceptor will still accept.

[poppo]

I wonder if that manual is even accurate for that BV. It mentions memory sticks for updating, which I don't think even existed when this thing was probably hobbled together.

[Mirage_Chaser]

Any chance you can get your hands on the Cashcode software manual or otherwise figure out which protocol the validator is currently using?
Personally, I'm hoping it's pulses.

The only hint I have is one of the dips is set to slow pulse. We have very little info on those ba's.

I wonder if that manual is even accurate for that BV. It mentions memory sticks for updating, which I don't think even existed when this thing was probably hobbled together.

Oh it does have a place for memory sticks. They are similar to simcards and that is how you upgrade for new bills and the like.

<Add> I don't know how long the giant machine has had an acceptor I have only been at this casino for about six months and the last time I saw any machine that old before that was at least in 2002

[StatFreak]

I wonder if that manual is even accurate for that BV. It mentions memory sticks for updating, which I don't think even existed when this thing was probably hobbled together.

There's a good chance that this BV was added long after the machine was built. Still, the manual is dated 2009, which is much more recent that I would have expected.

[knagl]

Just to throw into the mix to further confuse things, going back to this post, he said that "half" of the wires from the bill acceptor go to J6 on the fixed motherboard inside the machine.  I don't have any schematics handy -- can anyone confirm what J6 would be used for?  (This might give us a hint as to whether the machine is configured to accept bills like a traditional validator or if it has been hacked in using pulses to add credits.)

[StatFreak]

I'm too tired to look at them tonight. If no one else posts I'll check tomorrow.

[poppo]

Just to throw into the mix to further confuse things, going back to this post, he said that "half" of the wires from the bill acceptor go to J6 on the fixed motherboard inside the machine.  I don't have any schematics handy -- can anyone confirm what J6 would be used for?  (This might give us a hint as to whether the machine is configured to accept bills like a traditional validator or if it has been hacked in using pulses to add credits.)

I already had looked at that earlier. J6 is the BV I/O plug. But looking at the schematic, it could still be set up to pulse since the MPU part is similar to the coin in. And it's even possible that the old motherboard was modified somehow. If a RS chip does not support a BV, then it would not be looking for a signal on that line. Unless it was 'special' version of the chip designed to do it (and also to work in a S+ MPU).

In any case, I already suggested what I would do. So until certain things can be confirmed IMO we are just spinning our wheels and getting nowhere.

 

[knagl]

Someone over on the Slot Tech Forum replied (here).  He said, "you will need set chip 5. remove the game chip and place in the set chip. power game up. set the denom, then you will be able to enable the BV. power game down and replace the game chip and you are set to go."

Anyone have a SET 5 ?

[poppo]

If that SET does work, I would still be interested in knowing how the CashCode BV is communicating with the MPU. Is it as simple as pulsing the 'Bill Accp In' line?

One problem I see is if the BV is already taking bills (even with the door open) , what happens when someone puts a bill in when the game is in play. On a standard setup the BV is disabled during play. Would it just eat your bill?

[knagl]

It would seem to me that it would, poppo.  On the other hand, the odds of that scenario happening are pretty slim.  Possible, but slim.

[Mirage_Chaser]

That's good news... a set chip 5 would be a start anyhow. But I have a question. If the MPU and the backplane are from a machine that uses a 15 set then shouldn't the 15 work regardless of the machine its in?

[knagl]

If the MPU and the backplane are from a machine that uses a 15 set then shouldn't the 15 work regardless of the machine its in?

No.  The SET chip required is typically based on the SP (or in your case, it would seem, RS) chip in use.

For example, on my typical S+ machine, a SET 15 will work for some SP chips, but will be incompatible with others.

(That said, I would have expected the machine to do something when you put your SET 15 in there earlier, but who knows...)

[CaptainHappy]

Someone over on the Slot Tech Forum replied (here).  He said, "you will need set chip 5. remove the game chip and place in the set chip. power game up. set the denom, then you will be able to enable the BV. power game down and replace the game chip and you are set to go."

Anyone have a SET 5 ?

I am 99.99% sure that I have a set 5 if it is needed and will help....

CaptainHappy

[poppo]

But I have a question. If the MPU and the backplane are from a machine that uses a 15 set then shouldn't the 15 work regardless of the machine its in?

I would think so. As I mentioned earlier, IMO a SET should always boot. Even more so if the motherboard and MPU came out of a machine that it previously worked in and a different SET has not been used on it.

<edit> I want to define the word 'work'. Work = makes setting changes that work with your SP. Boot up = at least get a display and some options to change.

No.  The SET chip required is typically based on the SP (or in your case, it would seem, RS) chip in use.

For example, on my typical S+ machine, a SET 15 will work for some SP chips, but will be incompatible with others.

(That said, I would have expected the machine to do something when you put your SET 15 in there earlier, but who knows...)

I agree that the settings it provides may not work, but it should boot up. I've also used the wrong set chip before and it let me make changes, but they just didn't work with the game.

[knagl]

I agree that the settings it provides may not work, but it should boot up. I've also used the wrong set chip before and it let me make changes, but they just didn't work with the game.

Agreed -- that's why I said that I expected that it should have done something, but again, who knows -- this isn't a typical S+ machine, either. 

[Mirage_Chaser]

I am 99.99% sure that I have a set 5 if it is needed and will help....

CaptainHappy

I think that I will need it in any case, even if there is a problem with this MPU backplane comination.

I think that there is likely a problem with the MPU or backplane because it wont boot with the 15, but on the other had the machine is working excepting the ba.

[StatFreak]

Someone over on the Slot Tech Forum replied (here).  He said, "you will need set chip 5. remove the game chip and place in the set chip. power game up. set the denom, then you will be able to enable the BV. power game down and replace the game chip and you are set to go."

Anyone have a SET 5 ?

Where have I seen that before?   Oh yeah...

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<ADD> The oldest PSR I have for a stepper slot is SP450, and it is supposed to use a SET005, FWIW.

I am 99.99% sure that I have a set 5 if it is needed and will help....

CaptainHappy

I also may have a SET005, but it's untested.

[CaptainHappy]

I am 99.99% sure that I have a set 5 if it is needed and will help....

CaptainHappy

I will look through my chips for you... Should find it tomorrow...

CaptainHappy

I think that I will need it in any case, even if there is a problem with this MPU backplane comination.

I think that there is likely a problem with the MPU or backplane because it wont boot with the 15, but on the other had the machine is working excepting the ba.

[poppo]

Looking at the PSR for a SP611 it says:

IGT utility program SET005, or later versions is required to modify the denomination or anable/disable the bill acceptor. If the bill acceptor is disabled, the denomination can be set in self test mode.

I mention this because on later SP chips it says the set chip is required to set the denomination.  I wonder if the RS chip being even older than the SP611, can also have it set in self test.

[knagl]

Of potential interest to anyone who was following this thread, I learned a little from a tech over on the Slot Tech Forum site.  We had been calling this beast of a machine a "Big Bertha," but a Big Bertha is actually smaller than this thing.

From that site:

The correct term for this machine is Colossus.  A Big Bertha looks similar to an S+, just sized up massively.  It is smaller than the Colossus, and larger than a Mini Bertha.  I believe that all of them were made by Mikohn (with IGT's help).

   So, in order of size:

• S+ Cruise Ship Cabinet
• S+ Upright
• Mini Bertha
• Big Bertha
• Colossus

Also, for those who hadn't looked closely at the EPROM in the machine in question, notice the handwriting:

[CaptainHappy]

Kevin,
Thanks for sharing that over here!

CH

[Mirage_Chaser]

Yes that's what we call it around here but I wasn't sure if that was just our name for it. So I have been looking and I can't seem to find a set 5. Did someone actually have one that I might be able to get?

[Mirage_Chaser]

Ahhh so I found the set chip 05 and gave it a try. It did not boot and after I put the game chip back in it came up with a 45 that won't clear! And no matter how hard I look I just can't find the fifth reel. I guess I will have to try and track down a different MPU and Backplane to test.

Any Ideas?

[poppo]

Ahhh so I found the set chip 05 and gave it a try. It did not boot and after I put the game chip back in it came up with a 45 that won't clear! And no matter how hard I look I just can't find the fifth reel. I guess I will have to try and track down a different MPU and Backplane to test.

Any Ideas?

Might try pulling the CMOS out and then put it back in. That sometimes will clears some errors.

Did you change that jumper again when you tried the SET005?